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yello

Guest
LA's lawyer just about to be interviewed on 5 Live (Gary Richardson's programme)

For me, that was a bit of a waste of time. I wish the interviewer was more knowledgeable on the subject rather than dwelling on what he thought was a clever question.
 

yello

Guest
My guess is that Mellow Johnnies pays him a decent salary, but not sufficient to re-imburse the insurers or the Sunday Times.

Have you an idea of Armstrong's worth? He's not short of a few bob you know. But it's all rather irrelevant.
 
I was reading an article somewhere (I'll link if i find it again), which basically said it's still going to be extremely difficult to prove perjury, difficult, complex and expensive, despite the USADA report. In fact the only people likely to have the resources are the Dept of Justice.
 

yello

Guest
I thought it would be hard to lose respect for people like Hincapie, Barry et al but their silence and complicity in the omerta is quite hard to accept as a fan.

I must admit to be turning that way too. Particularly after reading the Betsy Andreu interview. This statement particularly swayed me...

You’re only contrite after you’ve made your millions and when you’re compelled to tell the truth.

I've always had a kindly feeling towards Hincapie, recognised his selflessness (or what I thought was). I think I'm now suffering with a very mild dose of what Armstrong fans are dealing with.
 

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
Have you an idea of Armstrong's worth? He's not short of a few bob you know. But it's all rather irrelevant.
in global terms, getting on for half a billion. But..........he's a resourceful man, a tricky item. I doubt he's got it in a bank account labelled 'Lance Armstrong'. He may suffer some losses, but he'll never be anything other than very wealthy.
 

Paul_L

Über Member
I must admit to be turning that way too. Particularly after reading the Betsy Andreu interview. This statement particularly swayed me...



I've always had a kindly feeling towards Hincapie, recognised his selflessness (or what I thought was). I think I'm now suffering with a very mild dose of what Armstrong fans are dealing with.

I wonder if George started to turn against Armstrong when Radioshack chased the breakaway he was in when he rode for HTC, in the 2009 Tour (i think it was then) which would have resulted in Hincapie ending the day in yellow, something he never did in the 17 TdFs he rode. I'm sure i read somewhere that he never forgave Armstrong, his former best pal for this.

Also puts a different slant on this years finale into Paris when he was allowed to lead the peloton onto the Champs. Almost appears like this was a "thank you for your silence".
 

Flying_Monkey

Recyclist
Location
Odawa
He may suffer some losses, but he'll never be anything other than very wealthy.

Which means that no-one should bother? There are all kinds of reasons for seeking to have court judgments reversed or to sue, and the money is only part of it. I'm slightly surprised that someone as intelligent as you could miss the symbolic aspects, not to mention the cumulative impact of multiple cases on Armstrong's credibility and on his networks.
 

PaulB

Legendary Member
Location
Colne
The Sunday Times is looking to get its money back
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/13/cycling-armstrong-sundaytimes-idUSL1E8LCDN120121013

Now.......all this talk of people suing Armstrong is fine and dandy, but I haven't noticed the perpetrators of financial fraud like Conrad Black having to live out their lives in the projects, despite judgements for zillions against them. Armstrong will have hidden, or simply moved the cash a long time ago. A million Americans go skint every year, 90,000 of them in Texas. My guess is that Mellow Johnnies pays him a decent salary, but not sufficient to re-imburse the insurers or the Sunday Times.
Maybe he'll use the example of Conrad Black in his defence?
 
The Sunday Times is looking to get its money back
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/13/cycling-armstrong-sundaytimes-idUSL1E8LCDN120121013

Now.......all this talk of people suing Armstrong is fine and dandy, but I haven't noticed the perpetrators of financial fraud like Conrad Black having to live out their lives in the projects, despite judgements for zillions against them. Armstrong will have hidden, or simply moved the cash a long time ago. A million Americans go skint every year, 90,000 of them in Texas. My guess is that Mellow Johnnies pays him a decent salary, but not sufficient to re-imburse the insurers or the Sunday Times.

I suspect its more news fluff and bluster than reality. They settled out of Court. The settlement agreement will have included clauses, which they will have willingly signed, which will be binding and say they agreed with his version of events. That is going to be a tough one to overturn in Court versus had they continued to fight the case and lost. In that latter case they could easily have the case re-opened on the basis of new information or the Court being mislead but not when they have proposed a settlement and signed a binding agreement.
 
Which means that no-one should bother? There are all kinds of reasons for seeking to have court judgments reversed or to sue, and the money is only part of it. I'm slightly surprised that someone as intelligent as you could miss the symbolic aspects, not to mention the cumulative impact of multiple cases on Armstrong's credibility and on his networks.

IIRC there are very few Court judgements. They were (nearly?) all settled out of Court, an outcome that is normally triggered by the defendant, and as noted above not so easily re-opened because the Court will say you withdrew from having us decide the issue and instead willingly signed to say you were wrong.
 
Location
Alberta
Breaking news. Armstrong never doped. Just followed a strict diet is all.

lance product.jpg
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
in global terms, getting on for half a billion. But..........he's a resourceful man, a tricky item. I doubt he's got it in a bank account labelled 'Lance Armstrong'. He may suffer some losses, but he'll never be anything other than very wealthy.
Times settled out of court. QED no court judgement to reverse. He'll keep his loot.

LA is an "American Hero" and lots of folk there don't care to see the heroes tarnished, caring, I guess, more for the hero than the sport?

So my guess is, in the states, his status, financial and otherwise won't change. With friends in high places I honestly can't see the DoJ going after him.
 

steveindenmark

Legendary Member
I clicked on a few other stories linked there Steve and using auto-translate i can tell you that...

...
Høgh calms: Stephan is pìss strong


and

Murray beat Federer: He served the poor

The translator is slighly worse than Google translate ^_^

But you get the idea, sort of.

Steve
 
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