The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[Oldspice]

 

[raindog]

Betsy Andrew finally vindicated - she's one gutsy woman
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/betsy-andreu-no-longer-a-voice-in-the-wilderness
“Of all the guys Frankie has ever ridden with, two people supported Frankie. One was Greg LeMond, the other was JV. JV was the only teammate, the only one, who supported us from the very beginning through this thing. Frankie even told me that JV hated the doping culture as much as Frankie did. Maybe they were the sacrificial lambs. You had guys like Bassons, who never had a career because of all this, and then you had people like Frankie and JV whose careers were essentially killed because they wouldn’t get on the comprehensive doping programme and wouldn’t see Ferrari."

 

[yello]

It was a witch-hunt. Damion Ressiot, the journalist responsible for the story about Armstrong's 6 positive 1999 samples, himself says so....

I did focus on him as a person, on the challenge that he threw at the journalists ("Do you think I'm doped? Prove it!") and I admit that it's a little cruel to stigmatise him only

There were another 6 positives not disclosed by Ressiot. Who were they? Look at page 202 of David Walsh's 'L.A. Confidential' for some clues!

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/riders/2005/interviews/?id=damien_ressiot_05

But, ask yourself, do you really care?

 

[Noodley]

So, who has a copy of LA Confidential they can look up?

 

[steveindenmark]

I see US Postal Services now want $43 million off him. All the sponsors should do this to all the pro riders who have taken money under false pretences for years. Maybe then the new riders will begin to realise that they are never safe if they cheat.

 

[yello]

I see US Postal Services now want $43 million off him.

I need a link for that!

 

[steveindenmark]

It may be in Danish and so you will need to translate it. (I am in Denmark)

http://sporten.tv2.dk/2012-10-13-us-postal-kræver-43-mio-af-armstrong?forside

Steve

 

[ColinJ]

I have just read a thread on bikeradar, in relation to Brian Smith the current commentator and ex-Motorola rider. He states that 2 weeks after a ride with Lance, during which Smith stated he would never use PEDs due to promising his father that he would remain clean, he was called into a meeting with Jim Ochowicz and informed that he would not be offered a contract for the following season. It might just be a coincidence. But I don't think there are any coincidences when that cheating bullying tosser is involved.

*Cough* ...

 

[PpPete]

Betsy Andrew finally vindicated - she's one gutsy woman
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/betsy-andreu-no-longer-a-voice-in-the-wilderness

This was the most telling part for me, partly because I was already convinced of LA's guilt, and was just glad that the likes of George H. were part of the testimony.

“I buy that they’re sorry they were going to be ‘outed’. They could have chosen to lie but they told the truth. So I’m supportive of that too. It’s the classic, you don’t say you’re sorry until you get caught. You’re only contrite after you’ve made your millions and when you’re compelled to tell the truth.”
“I’m grateful but man they didn’t really care about the truth when we were trying to get it out there. They just didn’t care. The one that was hardest was George because we were so incredibly close to him. When he just lambasted me in a email to Frankie, about me bringing down the sport that tells you he had no intention of ever coming forward. He was content.”

I just lost all respect for those who only just fessed up.

 

[Oldspice]

There is a vicious rumor going round that Lance Armstrong's bike has tested positive for car. This is not true.

 

[rich p]

It may be in Danish and so you will need to translate it. (I am in Denmark)

http://sporten.tv2.dk/2012-10-13-us-postal-kræver-43-mio-af-armstrong?forside

Steve

I clicked on a few other stories linked there Steve and using auto-translate i can tell you that...

...
Høgh calms: Stephan is pìss strong


and

Murray beat Federer: He served the poor

 

[Erratic]

This (below) is on BBC radio5 live tomorrow night (15th Oct) 19:00.
Chapman did something similar on ex SA Cricket Captain Hanse Cronje - it was a tremendous show, hope for the same with this...

Peddlers - cycling's dirty truth
Mark Chapman presents a special programme focusing on drugs in cycling through the Lance Armstrong era.
Hear from one of Armstrong's former team mates, Tyler Hamilton, as well as interviews with Dick Pound, the former head of WADA and Emma O'Reilly, Armstrong's former masseuse. Plus British cyclist David Millar who was banned for two years after admitting taking performance enhancing drugs and Christophe Basson, a French cyclist who was driven out of the sport by Armstrong and other riders after he spoke out against drugs.

 

[Paul_L]

LA's lawyer just about to be interviewed on 5 Live (Gary Richardson's programme)

 

[Paul_L]

This was the most telling part for me, partly because I was already convinced of LA's guilt, and was just glad that the likes of George H. were part of the testimony.
I just lost all respect for those who only just fessed up.

Just read that.

I thought it would be hard to lose respect for people like Hincapie, Barry et al but their silence and complicity in the omerta is quite hard to accept as a fan.

 

[dellzeqq]

The Sunday Times is looking to get its money back
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/13/cycling-armstrong-sundaytimes-idUSL1E8LCDN120121013

Now.......all this talk of people suing Armstrong is fine and dandy, but I haven't noticed the perpetrators of financial fraud like Conrad Black having to live out their lives in the projects, despite judgements for zillions against them. Armstrong will have hidden, or simply moved the cash a long time ago. A million Americans go skint every year, 90,000 of them in Texas. My guess is that Mellow Johnnies pays him a decent salary, but not sufficient to re-imburse the insurers or the Sunday Times.