I recall reading, perhaps in Tylers's book, that the year after Festina was clean, due to them all running scared, but USP upped the ante and the others followed suit so Ullrich and Pevenage may be telling the truth, but the bit about having no choice but to join the arms race is a bit dificult to swallow!
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Monsieur Remings
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Unless you take the position that some drugs were better than none, and then the whole thing becomes much more complicated.
Like a lot on this thread I'm reading more than I'm commentating since the USADA report, and whilst I don't believe the 'level playing field' is a proper argument for the justification of cheating, is it perhaps naive to think that any help from the use of drugs would not be beneficial to those involved in a rivalry with a team that blatantly did have the best 'recipe'?
One of the most disturbing things to have come out of the USADA statement was the evidence to the fact that domestiques were also bullied into doping, EPO etc Now, when you consider that this obviously 'worked', what were rival teams to do to compete other than to implement some systematic, team -wide practice themselves?
History itself, as well as the hugely differential sums of money paid to corrupt doctors, says that there was no level playing field and that the best drugs (and monitoring by doctors) won, not the best man/men. But, I believe there would have been those, like Ullrich et al, who would have tried to have gained what they considered that 'level playing field' through the use of PE drugs however off the mark they may have been in regard to the US Postal 'recipe.'
On a more general note, I expect a purge of the UCI. I can't see many more riders being implicated but the credibility of this organisation now must surely be the focal point given that other notable national anti-doping agencies are coming forward with evidence of their own past concerns.
Excellent and prescient article Jim.
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Not gettingdrawn into any disputes, i just thought it was funny
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what a refreshing story Scott Mercier's is
How can 1 human feel they have to give up so much to retain integrity when LA seems to thrive on the lack of it.
I wonder what lance tells his kids?
How can 1 human feel they have to give up so much to retain integrity when LA seems to thrive on the lack of it.
I wonder what lance tells his kids?
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I have just read a thread on bikeradar, in relation to Brian Smith the current commentator and ex-Motorola rider. He states that 2 weeks after a ride with Lance, during which Smith stated he would never use PEDs due to promising his father that he would remain clean, he was called into a meeting with Jim Ochowicz and informed that he would not be offered a contract for the following season. It might just be a coincidence. But I don't think there are any coincidences when that cheating bullying tosser is involved.
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certainly. in fact I remember overtaking them. But the forces of law and order were quicker and had very long arms.2095471 said:
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GrumpyGregry
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It was a cover-up – and I was part of it
"I had been taken aside by a number of riders and race organisers in the UK and abroad and had it explained to me in the clichéd words of one syllable why it was not in my interests to report certain things. In the sharing of that information you were told how it worked, how dope tests could be got around, who was complicit in this sort of cover-up. And I think that cover-up went on and perhaps to some extent is still going on." Andrew Sutcliffe Cycling Weekly Editor '91 - '98 quoted in today's Indie.
"I had been taken aside by a number of riders and race organisers in the UK and abroad and had it explained to me in the clichéd words of one syllable why it was not in my interests to report certain things. In the sharing of that information you were told how it worked, how dope tests could be got around, who was complicit in this sort of cover-up. And I think that cover-up went on and perhaps to some extent is still going on." Andrew Sutcliffe Cycling Weekly Editor '91 - '98 quoted in today's Indie.
I'm not sure if this has been posted before but here is Levi Leipheimer's affidavit to USADA...
http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Leipheimer,+Levi,+Affidavit.pdf
the last bit where LA sends perturbing text messages to his wife is chilling
http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Leipheimer,+Levi,+Affidavit.pdf
the last bit where LA sends perturbing text messages to his wife is chilling
GrumpyGregry
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If someone you knew sent what you regarded as threatening text messages to your wife over dinner what would you do when next you saw them?
I know my reaction would not be a passive one.
funny lots these pro-cyclists..
