The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[Flying_Monkey]

And the UCI seems to have either passively or actively abetted USPS / Discovery / Armstrong all the way. It looks pretty bad for them too. Verbruggen and McQuaid both out of this very badly indeed. McQuaid should resign immediately.

 

[just jim]

This is exactly what I had anticipated and more.

Indeed, it's sound like the "avalance" (I'm here all week) many expected.
And ya know what? This really is the new improved Lance Armstrong thread, after all.

 

[rich p]

fark me FM, I'm only on page 33. Spoiler please - I still don't know for sure if Lance doped or is a saint

 

[Noodley]

Can someone let me know when they find any evidence of an apology from the fanboys who have, for year after year, shouted down those who wanted the truth: "never failed a test", "most tested athlete", "<enter whatever lie of own preference>"

And an invite to the fanboys: you only need to say sorry once, admit you were wrong, and then we can move on.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

And the UCI seems to have either passively or actively abetted USPS / Discovery / Armstrong all the way. It looks pretty bad for them too. Verbruggen and McQuaid both out of this very badly indeed. McQuaid should resign immediately.

Thanks for highlighting that point FM. The lure if the almighty dollar and cycling going mainstream in the states eh?

I'm a happy ex-fanboy now (without the time yet to read it all for myself)

LA = filthy cheat
USPS/Discovery = filthy cheats
UCI = aiders and abettors of filthy cheats

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Can someone let me know when they find any evidence of an apology from the fanboys who have, for year after year, shouted down those who wanted the truth: "never failed a test", "most tested athlete", "<enter whatever lie of own preference>"

And an invite to the fanboys: you only need to say sorry once, admit you were wrong, and then we can move on.

People who demand apologies?





Bunch of nobbers

 

[Flying_Monkey]

f*** me FM, I'm only on page 33. Spoiler please - I still don't know for sure if Lance doped or is a saint

Ha ha, I have just skim-read the document. I will read it in detail later (I think I am going to write an article about the limits of surveillance in sport and the Lance Armstrong case).

 

[yello]

I'm surprised how anecdotally it reads rather than being in legalise. I wonder how the full document (running to 2000 pages I believe ) reads?

But even in summary, it's real 'belt and braces' stuff. Some of the incidents will come as no surprise to seasoned followers but the level of detail joining up the dots, and the corroboration thereof, is staggering. I wonder how UCI will respond? The eyes of the cycling world are on them.

 

[rich p]

Can someone let me know when they find any evidence of an apology from the fanboys who have, for year after year, shouted down those who wanted the truth: "never failed a test", "most tested athlete", "<enter whatever lie of own preference>"
And an invite to the fanboys: you only need to say sorry once, admit you were wrong, and then we can move on.

We need a truth and reconciliation thread for the fanboys Noods!

 

[Red Light]

Heads we win, tails you lose.

UCI has refused to provide USADA laboratory data without Mr. Armstrong’s consent, which he has refused to
give. Had Mr. Armstrong elected to go forward with the American Arbitration Association
hearing, then either the laboratory and collection data required to verify the accuracy of his blood
test results would have been provided upon his consent, or if he refused consent, then he would
have been precluded from arguing that the laboratory results were not reliable.​

p146​

 

[beastie]

So did everyone else apart from a couple of serial apologists on here!
Sorry, the sarcasm would have been lost on someone new to the thread(s)!

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So did everyone else apart from a couple of serial apologists on here!
Sorry, the sarcasm would have been lost on someone new to the thread(s)!

Yes I should have really noticed it

 

[beastie]

Spoiler please - I still don't know for sure if Lance doped or is a saint

Sarcasm!!???

 

[PaulB]

That's one long and very involved read but if anyone harboured any doubts as to just how dirty the sport and a certain Mr. Pharmstrong was, that will evaporate with anything more than a cursory perusal of that. It's been a significant year for the release of long, involved documents that shake people from their complacency or entrenched beliefs, what with this and the Hillsborough papers.

 

[tigger]

I've just skim read all 200 pages (emphasis on skim). Personally I think it's all hearsay.







(Ducks for cover)

 

[Noodley]

USADA missed a trick by not having a picture on page 1: