The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[Erratic]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/109619079/Reasoned-Decision

 

[rich p]

That is as maybe but I still wouldn't trust him myself.

I found his testimony and intricate detail very convincing once he'd decided to fess up. Ashenden has credited Landis with opening his eyes to the way blood doping was used and how it evaded detection.

 

[rich p]

Bloody hell, this is going to take longer to read than Tyler's Book.

 

[smutchin]

 

[rich p]

I thought that question was decided by Sam Sparks.

So did everyone else apart from a couple of serial apologists on here!
Sorry, the sarcasm would have been lost on someone new to the thread(s)!

 

[ufkacbln]

When Mr. Armstrong refused to confront the evidence against him in a hearing beforeneutral arbitrators he confirmed the judgment that the era in professional cycling which hedominated as the patron of the peloton was the dirtiest ever.
Twenty of the twenty-one podium finishers in the Tour de France from 1999 through 2005 have been directly tied to likely doping through admissions, sanctions, public investigations or exceeding the UCI hematocrit threshold.Of the forty-five (45) podium finishes during the time period between 1996 and 2010, thirty-six(36) were by riders similarly tainted by doping

Reinforces the need to look at the wider picture and start using this evidence to look at other riders an teams?

 

[ufkacbln]

yes, yes it's all very well all these ex-USPostal riders coming clean and lancing Lance, and having a money trail to boot but whether USADA has got jurisdiction is the crucial point in all this.

Hardly coming "clean", they are admitting in several cases to being very "dirty"

 

[raindog]

Reinforces the need to look at the wider picture and start using this evidence to look at other riders an teams?

This isn't the first piece in the puzzle, it's one of the last.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Why Armstrong did not contest the USADA allegations -

"The Usada report condemns Lance Armstrong for refusing to face doping charges against him and describes what the case against him would have looked like, had he agreed to testify.
It is excoriating:

Witness after witness would have been called to the stand and witness after witness would have confirmed the following: That Lance Armstrong used the banned drug EPO. That Lance Armstrong used the banned drug Testosterone. That Lance Armstrong provided his teammates the banned drug EPO. That Lance Armstrong administered to a teammate the banned drug Testosterone. That Lance Armstrong enforced the doping program on his team by threatening a rider with termination if he did not dope in accordance with the plan drawn up by Dr. Michele Ferrari. That Lance Armstrong’s doping program was organized by Dr. Ferrari. That Lance Armstrong pushed his teammates to use Dr. Ferrari. That Lance Armstrong used banned blood transfusions to cheat. That Lance Armstrong would have his blood withdrawn and stored throughout the year and then receive banned blood transfusions in the team doctor’s hotel room on nights during the Tour de France. That Lance Armstrong surrounded himself with drug runners and doping doctors so that he could achieve his goal of winning the Tour de France year after year. That Lance Armstrong and his handlers engaged in a massive and long running scheme to use drugs, cover their tracks, intimidate witnesses, tarnish reputations, lie to hearing panels and the press and do whatever was necessary to conceal the truth".​

 

[Crackle]

A reason he chose not to contest it

"Had there been a hearing even more evidence would have been presented, including, evidence obtained through arbitration panel subpoenas and potentiallyevidence from government investigations."

 

[Flying_Monkey]

This is exactly what I had anticipated and more.

 

[jifdave]

Thought hincapie was brave admitting he doped, now he's retired.... :-(

 

[Flying_Monkey]

The table on p.107 of the document of payments from Lance Armstrong to Dr Ferrari totally over $1 Million is damning. And detailed eyewitness testimony from not just Hamilton and Landis and those who Lance crosssed in his career, but the golden boys of US cycling: Zabriskie, Hincapie, Leipheimer, Vandervelde...

He is so farked.

 

[Smokin Joe]

At least Jimmy Savile was dead by the time it all went tits up.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

p.130 onwards on how Armstrong avoided getting tested positive is enlightening. The report finally lays to rest the myth of 'the most tested athlete'. Armstrong probably had no more than 200 tests during his career and included in this are 'health' tests which specifically did not check for substances like testosterone. US Postal almost always had an hour's notice of 'unannounced' tests. LA was notorious for giving inadequate whereabouts information that delayed or inhibited off-season testing. And on occasions, he just seems to have fronted out the testers, by just refusing to have a test immediately. For most of the period to 2005 here were no tests for blood transfusions or HGH so these were used without fear, apparently saline solution could easily counteract EPO testing - which in any case they knew would only ever happen in the morning and they would be safe taking it at night - and mcirodosing of testosterone was achieved through patches.