The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[PaulB]

I've just skim read all 200 pages (emphasis on skim). Personally I think it's all hearsay.

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reoG0SVdFhY

 

[tigger]

Or did I mean heresy?

 

[rich p]

Is this really the one point in the whole document you feel is worthy of comment?

I'm guessing one of the serial muppets is nit-picking?

 

[Noodley]

I'm guessing one of the serial muppets is nit-picking?

I'm tempted to unignore just to get a laff...

 

[tigger]

I'm tempted to unignore just to get a laff...

Just done it! Bit of a non event at the moment

 

[Red Light]

Is this really the one point in the whole document you feel is worthy of comment?

Nope. The whole section at the end about the Indiana hospital room incident is interesting. They rehash lots of old stuff but they completely omit that his primary cancer doctor, Craig Nichols, said in a sworn testimony "I have never seen any evidence, either from myself or any other doctor, that indicates Lance Armstrong admitted, suggested or indicated that he has ever taken performance-enhancing drugs."

It seems something of a big omission since they use other extracts from his testimony to try to bolster their case.

They also use McIlvain's testimony to argue that there were two doctors (men) in the room so Betsy must be telling the truth but again they fail to mention that in her sworn deposition she said:

QUESTION: Were you ever at a hospital room or other part of the hospital with Mr. Armstrong where he said anything about performance-enhancing drugs?​

MCILVAIN: No.​

QUESTION: Do you have any recollection of any doctor in your presence asking Mr. Armstrong if he used in the past any performance-enhancing drugs or substances?​

MCILVAIN: No.​

Like yello, I am surprised at the way it is written and it reads much more like polemic than legal case. I am also surprised how much of it is rehashing old public domain material rather than presenting new material uncovered by investigation and enquiry.

 

[Red Light]

I'm tempted to unignore just to get a laff...

HELLO NOBBER!

 

[rich p]

Sarcasm!!???

That one maybe irony!

 

[rich p]

I'm tempted to unignore just to get a laff...

No, we must resist. Don't give in to temptation just for a cheap laugh. You're better than that.

 

[User169]

On newsnight right now - Daniel Coyle being interviewed.

 

[Zofo]

Can someone let me know when they find any evidence of an apology from the fanboys who have, for year after year, shouted down those who wanted the truth: "never failed a test", "most tested athlete", "<enter whatever lie of own preference>"

And an invite to the fanboys: you only need to say sorry once, admit you were wrong, and then we can move on.

yeah sorry about that, think I'll go,and burn his books- what a jerk!!
Oh well at least,Brad's clean eh?

 

[tigger]

Think I'll hit the "I" button again

 

[Pottsy]

Sorry but I only watch this thread from a passive outside viewpoint, though I'm fascinated. I've been convinced for years Lance doped purely by understanding of physical limits, times up climbs, the era and other anecdotal stuff. Let alone today's stuff!

Does anyone here still believe he didn't dope? Intentional closed question.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Nope. The whole section at the end about the Indiana hospital room incident is interesting.

It's also an addendum. The detailed consideration of this particular incident is not included in the main body of evidence upon which he conclusions are based. But I guess you knew that...

 

[johnr]

Looks like the Armstrong Xmas card list is going to be significantly shorter this year