The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[raindog]

http://www.usada.org/cyclinginvestigationstatement.html

from Tygart.......

"I have personally talked with and heard these athletes’ stories and firmly believe that, collectively, these athletes, if forgiven and embraced, have a chance to leave a legacy far greater for the good of the sport than anything they ever did on a bike.
Lance Armstrong was given the same opportunity to come forward and be part of the solution. He rejected it."

 

[Smokin Joe]

It's a conspiracy I tells ya, a conspiracy.

You're only picking on him because he has one ball.

 

[smutchin]

from Tygart.......

"I have personally talked with and heard these athletes’ stories and firmly believe that, collectively, these athletes, if forgiven and embraced, have a chance to leave a legacy far greater for the good of the sport than anything they ever did on a bike.
Lance Armstrong was given the same opportunity to come forward and be part of the solution. He rejected it."

What would be really good for the future of the sport is if other riders who were never part of USPS and "never tested positive" came forward now and admitted everything. Never mind waiting for the UCI to set up a truth and reconciliation committee (which they're clearly very reluctant to do), a lot of riders could do themselves and the sport a lot of good by coming forward under their own initiative.

d.

 

[Dogtrousers]

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A better analogy is...

"You're (note spelling) riding a bike down the street, with 12 people chasing after you saying 'stop thief', you are holding a hacksaw and there is a hacksawed bike lock trailing behind you, is consistent with you having stolen it.

The original spelling was correct. "Your riding a bike" refers to the fact that a bike is being ridden, and it is this fact that "is consistent with...". It's not a contraction of "you are"

That its all. As you were.

 

[raindog]

http://www.fraudstrong.org/

 

[rich p]

yes, yes it's all very well all these ex-USPostal riders coming clean and lancing Lance, and having a money trail to boot but whether USADA has got jurisdiction is the crucial point in all this.

 

[beastie]

yes, yes it's all very well all these ex-USPostal riders coming clean and lancing Lance, and having a money trail to boot but whether USADA has got jurisdiction is the crucial point in all this.

I thought that question was decided by Sam Sparks.

 

[BJH]

So all those people who said that Landis was a has been / proven liars making up stories to make cash now have a confirmation from Michael Barry that Floyd was indeed telling the truth. Can't wait to hear their apologies. Can't wait to see the full dossier either.

 

[yello]

Witch hunt. Why do they always say these things just before stage 3 of the Tour of Beijing?

 

[BJH]

Your riding a bike down the street is consistent with you having stolen it. There is a massive gap between the (carefully chosen) words "is consistent with" and it being a fact.

Ashenden is an expert in his field who is stating a belief based on the fact that LA's blood values did not decrease during a high intensity stage race. I think he is more than entitled to state his opinion and it's not unreasonable for a reasonable person to believe he's probably correct.

 

[BJH]

We do know that he didn't tell the truth consistently.

But he certainly did on this one and will be proven to have done the same on Lance.

 

[smutchin]

Ashenden is an expert in his field who is stating a belief based on the fact that LA's blood values did not decrease during a high intensity stage race. I think he is more than entitled to state his opinion and it's not unreasonable for a reasonable person to believe he's probably correct.

What's more, the caution in his language belies the strength of his belief. For someone in his position to go even as far as he did in his comments is a sign that he is pretty damn sure of his facts.

d.

 

[Erratic]

Been slowly 'leafing' through the document by the USADA, phew, I can see why LA did not mount a defence, similarly, not sure how he can go on saying nothing. Interesting days ahead...

 

[Red Light]

Ashenden is an expert in his field who is stating a belief based on the fact that LA's blood values did not decrease during a high intensity stage race. I think he is more than entitled to state his opinion and it's not unreasonable for a reasonable person to believe he's probably correct.

Ashenden is a person who was paid by SCA Promotions to testify that Armstrong had used drugs. He is conflicted.

 

[Red Light]

Been slowly 'leafing' through the document by the USADA, phew, I can see why LA did not mount a defence, similarly, not sure how he can go on saying nothing. Interesting days ahead...

Where did you get the document? It doesn't seem to be on the USADA site yet.