The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[ufkacbln]

It was your reference to Yellowism

You misunderstand..... I was asking Just Jim to explain why he was posting in yellow "just for me"

He doesn't actually seem to be courteous or well mannered enough to be willing to do so...

Perhaps in his choice to post in yellow, he is in fact the manifestation of a true closet Yellowist and ashamed to "come out".

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Your riding a bike down the street is consistent with you having stolen it.

Another poor analogy. There is rather more here than that (which you would know if you had read the actual article).

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Armstrong a dirty filthy doper?

Who knew?

and that's the question we want answered.

 

[Red Light]

Another poor analogy. There is rather more here than that (which you would know if you had read the actual article).

Yes, I read about his reading of the tea leaves. Didn't add any more substance to it. Ashenden's opinion has been well known ever since he was an expert witness claiming Armstrong used EPO for SCA Promotions - a case that they lost. I'd be really interested to know what is the validation behind the claims he is making and whether they are an approved part of the testing protocol or just something he's made up himself.

 

[DogTired]

Yes, I read about his reading of the tea leaves. Didn't add any more substance to it. Ashenden's opinion has been well known ever since he was an expert witness claiming Armstrong used EPO for SCA Promotions - a case that they lost. I'd be really interested to know what is the validation behind the claims he is making and whether they are an approved part of the testing protocol or just something he's made up himself.

Its worth being clear that SCA did not lose the case due to Ashenden. SCA lost because their contract stated they had to pay because LA won multiple TdFs.The judgement came about because regardless of the evidence regarding drug taking, LA _had_ (at that point) won the TdFs, so SCA had to pay, which they did. Their argument was that if they'd known up-front about any drug-taking they would not have insured against LAs wins. That was not upheld.

If you're interested in the Ashendens claims then research them and report it! And have a look at the arguments of the opposing expert witness Prof Ed Coyle as well.

 

[Hont]

Your riding a bike down the street is consistent with you having stolen it. There is a massive gap between the (carefully chosen) words "is consistent with" and it being a fact.

A better analogy is...

"Your riding of a bike down the street, with 12 people chasing after you saying 'stop thief', you are holding a hacksaw and there is a hacksawed bike lock trailing behind you, is consistent with you having stolen it.

 

[smutchin]

Why haven't the USADA published their evidence yet?

http://nyvelocity.com/content/toto/2012/toto-turns-263

 

[smutchin]

More Ashenden...
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-file-was-ever-sent-to-any-of-us-experts.aspx

 

[GrumpyGregry]

LA reads more like la-la in this

"It’s their drama. Not mine. I was raised in a way, and maybe my mom was this way, and her life wasn’t perfect, it was complicated. But she always looked forward. She looked a day, and a month, and a year, and 10 years from now. Some people don’t do that. They sit around and talk about the past. You always get high-school friends who sit around and talk about “hey remember that time…” and I’m like “why are you asking me about that?”

That’s the funny thing. What else do they want to strip? The Tour of Colorado? Tour of the Gila? It’s so dumb.

I don’t care. Honestly. And I mean that. I wake up and my mind and my conscience and my view on my life and my world, my future and my kids’ future is perfectly clear."

Bonkers. Delusional bonkers nut-jobbery. Can the doping have affected his mental health?​

 

[Red Light]

A better analogy is...

"You're (note spelling) riding a bike down the street, with 12 people chasing after you saying 'stop thief', you are holding a hacksaw and there is a hacksawed bike lock trailing behind you, is consistent with you having stolen it.

Not a better one but one that is also consistent with your having stolen it. It is also consistent with you being part of a posse of 13 people that is chasing the thief taking the evidence of his theft with you for when you catch him.

 

[DogTired]

LA reads more like la-la in this

"It’s their drama. Not mine. I was raised in a way, and maybe my mom was this way, and her life wasn’t perfect, it was complicated. But she always looked forward. She looked a day, and a month, and a year, and 10 years from now. Some people don’t do that. They sit around and talk about the past. You always get high-school friends who sit around and talk about “hey remember that time…” and I’m like “why are you asking me about that?”

That’s the funny thing. What else do they want to strip? The Tour of Colorado? Tour of the Gila? It’s so dumb.

I don’t care. Honestly. And I mean that. I wake up and my mind and my conscience and my view on my life and my world, my future and my kids’ future is perfectly clear."

Bonkers. Delusional bonkers nut-jobbery. Can the doping have affected his mental health?​

Standard political chicanery. It was classic foboffery during the Blair/Campbell years. "Yes but we need to put this behind us and move on" was the mantra. Good to hear about his Mum's philosophy though. Shame he missed out on how it was her apple pie alone that made him a champion.

Should the UCI ratify USADA's title stripping then he'll have $6.5million of drama when SCA try and get their cash back.

 

[Noodley]

One thing with Armstrong is that he is an "all or nothing" chap...so far his all has been given to the lie. One day we may get his all in relation to the truth. If that day comes (soon enough) it may be the best thing for him and the sport. He may even be able to redeem himself.

 

[Buddfox]

One thing with Armstrong is that he is an "all or nothing" chap...so far his all has been given to the lie. One day we may get his all in relation to the truth. If that day comes (soon enough) it may be the best thing for him and the sport. He may even be able to redeem himself.

Ironically he likely would also make a bucket load of cash!

 

[rich p]

Ironically he likely would also make a bucket load of cash!

But then he'd just be another mercenary ex-doper and comsummate liar who was out to make a quick buck by regurgitating lies, innuendo and hearsay. Get a grip, man

 

[Noodley]

A better analogy is...

"You're (note spelling) riding a bike down the street, with 12 people chasing after you saying 'stop thief', you are holding a hacksaw and there is a hacksawed bike lock trailing behind you, is consistent with you having stolen it.

Or.."you are Jimmy Saville...and are dead"

Or.."you are you freddy starr and say you never appeared on a jimmy saville show so it canae be true..oh, you I appear on one of his shows...really? with the girl who made allegations sitting next to me?...oh feck...but, did I tell you about the time I was in panto..."