The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[ufkacbln]

I don't think it was ever only about Lance, much as he would like everyone to think it was.

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It was for a lot of people though, even to the stage where any suggestion that looking at the wider picture was dismissed as "diverting the issue" and inappropriate

 

[Flying_Monkey]

It was for a lot of people though, even to the stage where any suggestion that looking at the wider picture was dismissed as "diverting the issue" and inappropriate

I don't think that was anyone's problem with you and Red Light.

 

[just jim]

The Armstrong Period is the point. The USADA appears to have changed their stance in that they are no longer referring to the evidential document as being about Armstrong individually, but rather the US Postal Service team as a whole. It has been clealy referred to as the US Postal Service by USADA in press eleases

Could of course be a misprint or misquote, so we will have to wait until the Dossier arrives to see which way the USADA is going tp play this

Think of all the time spent .jpg thread-bombing you could have saved by sticking to this one line? (highlighted in yellow just for you)
My guess - a lot.

 

[ufkacbln]

Think of all the time spent .jpg thread-bombing you could have saved by sticking to this one line? (highlighted in yellow just for you)
My guess - a lot.

Could you explain the reference to yellow, as the meaning is unclear?

Like many cyclists I have a lot of custom with Yellow.... I bought both mine and my Wife's Rudy Project Sunglasses from them, also the Assos and Giordana clothing.

I have cycle clothing, pannier covers and even a couple of sets of Ortlieb panniers in Yellow..... and outdoor clothing

I also have a yellow sash from my time serving with the Sealed Knot.

Why do you feel yellow has any significance to examining the wider picture and th USADA report??

 

[just jim]

Ahhhh. That's better.

 

[ufkacbln]

 

[DogTired]

It was for a lot of people though, even to the stage where any suggestion that looking at the wider picture was dismissed as "diverting the issue" and inappropriate

I reckon there's a common trend when looking at this (or maybe its just me). Lance is a hero. Strange whispers about Lance. Try and discover more about the back story. THEY DID WHAT?!?!?! Realise LA is big, but the issue is a whole lot bigger. In fact peloton bigger. Realise it stops with the UCI but in reality has been going on since the beginning of competitive cycling. While LA is still a problem, he's not _the_ problem.

Most people are at differing levels of this trend and awareness of it.

I love cricket, but at the end of the day its stick and ball. F1 too, but thats cars going around and around. I suspect the wider public have a similar philosophy with regard to cycling and care little about omerta, the intricacies of drugs and who said what when.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Michael Ashenden is saying that Armstrong's 2009 TdF biological passport results were consistent with reinfusions. LA's spokesperson's response seems to deliberately evade the issue, saying that dope test results how you are either doping or not - but that is exactly the point of the biological passport as opposed to traditional doping controls - it can show patterns consistent with forms of cheating that are not just a matter of 'he was taking substance X'.

 

[Noodley]

In other breaking news, a spokesman for Armstrong says "wibble" ...

 

[smutchin]

Still banging the "never failed a drug test" drum...

Hubris, thy name is Armstrong.

 

[DogTired]

Michael Ashenden is saying that Armstrong's 2009 TdF biological passport results were consistent with reinfusions. LA's spokesperson's response seems to deliberately evade the issue, saying that dope test results how you are either doping or not - but that is exactly the point of the biological passport as opposed to traditional doping controls - it can show patterns consistent with forms of cheating that are not just a matter of 'he was taking substance X'.

Blimey - why did he ever bother with needles? He might as well have got a hoze-lock adaptor fitted.

 

[ufkacbln]

Were you in the vicinity of any modern art yesterday afternoon?

Yes!

I don't know how it helps you, or how you think it will contribute to the thread, but it would be churlish not to answer......but it was "Anvilman", part of the Henry Cort Exhibition in Fareham:

Did it help?

 

[Red Light]

Michael Ashenden is saying that Armstrong's 2009 TdF biological passport results were consistent with reinfusions.

Your riding a bike down the street is consistent with you having stolen it. There is a massive gap between the (carefully chosen) words "is consistent with" and it being a fact.

 

[ufkacbln]

Michael Ashenden is saying that Armstrong's 2009 TdF biological passport results were consistent with reinfusions. LA's spokesperson's response seems to deliberately evade the issue, saying that dope test results how you are either doping or not - but that is exactly the point of the biological passport as opposed to traditional doping controls - it can show patterns consistent with forms of cheating that are not just a matter of 'he was taking substance X'.

Trouble is that like many of the tests they are not all verified and accepted.

You can tell by examining blood cells if the blood sample contains the red blood cells of a donor, but it is more difficult if the transfusion is the cyclists own blood. It has been suggested that chemical traces of preservatives, and chemicals used inthe storage of blood can be indicators, equally it has been suggested that profiling the maturity of the cells and looking at some enzymes can identify the re-infusion of the cyclist's own blood, but these are not established in use (yet)

Hamilton was found positive by the flourescent testing of cells to establish two "populations" of cells demonstrating that some did not actually belong to him!

 

[DogTired]

There is a massive gap between the (carefully chosen) words "is consistent with" and it being a fact.

Hmm less of a gap than "is inconsistent with" and being a fact. The point is looking at markers and indicators. Do these fit a known pattern? Yes, then they are consistent with.

Its used all of the time, the dent on the bonnet is consistent with striking a pedestrian, the wounds are consistent with gunshot wounds. This is standard terminology for a domain expert pronouncing an opinion on the evidence which precludes actually seeing the crime, which is rare.