The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[DogTired]

let's just post our fave Lance Vids...
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6EX6qDIw4w&feature=related

Not Lance exactly but a superb demonstration of why taking drugs and biking are bad.


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLUryIKNTmg

 

[smutchin]

Dick Pound interview on VeloNation - worth reading:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...trong-the-governance-of-cycling-and-more.aspx

 

[Red Light]

He does announce that the report is going out to the UCI this week though which might be a bit of a surprise to USADA just after they announced it would be out by the end of next week.

Looks like I was right and Walsh was in the land of make believe with no inside track despite pretending to have one in his article.

 

[raindog]

Very, very interesting interview with Lemond - don't miss it!
http://media.newstalk.ie/podcast/67851/popup

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Very, very interesting interview with Lemond - don't miss it!
http://media.newstalk.ie/podcast/67851/popup

There's also a summary here. He's one of the good guys of cycling.

 

[ufkacbln]

Lemond is interestingly calling for what many of us have suggested previously and looking beyond Armstrong to real reform.

 

[just jim]

Funny - I considered the gist of the C.N article to be about Armstrong:
"LeMond: Armstrong has been trying to destroy me for 10 years"
Maybe I'm reading between the lines.
Hmmm. That reminds me of another title I read somewhere...
"The New Improved Lance Armstrong Discussion Thread"
Not much room for obfuscation there I'd have thought, though you have been trying awfully hard.

 

[ufkacbln]

Funny - I considered the gist of the C.N article to be about Armstrong:
"LeMond: Armstrong has been trying to destroy me for 10 years"
Maybe I'm reading between the lines.
Hmmm. That reminds me of another title I read somewhere...
"The New Improved Lance Armstrong Discussion Thread"
Not much room for obfuscation there I'd have thought, though you have been trying awfully hard.

He also spoke about the changing the way the UCI handles drug testing and means of encouraging caught riders to reveal their sources, suppliers and methods. For LeMond to truly trust the sport, there are some things that really need to change.

They need to insist on the outing of the top brass. It needs to change. Drug testing needs to be separated from the governing body [the UCI] completely.

"I would buy into the UCI’s part much more in the sport if they would voluntarily help set-up an independent doping agency like USADA and WADA to where there is a real body of scientists that cannot be influenced by anybody. Not anybody."

Obviously my mistake in thinking that these statements were referring to reforming the system.......... an extremely easy one given the content and context?

What are these statements about, if not wider reform?

 

[Red Light]

David Walsh, fresh from getting it wrong last week about the release of the files to UCI, assures us now there was just too much work to do on them and they will go out this week - its only taken him ten days to catch up with a USADA press release - and introduces us to Scott Mercier. He also laments the lack of impact Tyler Hamilton has had on Armstrong and damns the current peleton in the same sentence:

"Several weeks after the publication of Tyler Hamilton’s detailed exposé of US Postal’s systematic doping programme there has been almost no condemnation of Armstrong from today’s prisoners of the road."​

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/sport/cycling/article1142802.ece​

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Lemond is interestingly calling for what many of us have suggested previously and looking beyond Armstrong to real reform.

Some of us have indeed been calling for real reform. Some of us have even started threads about it. However some of us have also recognised that this isn't really possible without dealing honestly with the legacy of the Armstrong period.

 

[rich p]

Some of us have indeed been calling for real reform. Some of us have even started threads about it. However some of us have also recognised that this isn't really possible without dealing honestly with the legacy of the Armstrong period.

Some of us have been banging on about this for years, not just since August 2012.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Some of us have been banging on about this for years, not just since August 2012.

Yes, indeed. And some of us have even shown an actual interest in racing before that date!

 

[rich p]

Yes, indeed. And some of us have even shown an actual interest in racing before that date!

...and since that date too, to be strictly accurate!

 

[ufkacbln]

Some of us have indeed been calling for real reform. Some of us have even started threads about it. However some of us have also recognised that this isn't really possible without dealing honestly with the legacy of the Armstrong period.

The Armstrong Period is the point. The USADA appears to have changed their stance in that they are no longer referring to the evidential document as being about Armstrong individually, but rather the US Postal Service team as a whole. It has been clealy referred to as the US Postal Service by USADA in press eleases

Could of course be a misprint or misquote, so we will have to wait until the Dossier arrives to see which way the USADA is going tp play this

 

[smutchin]

The USADA appears to have changed their stance in that they are no longer referring to the evidential document as being about Armstrong individually, but rather the US Postal Service team as a whole. It has been clealy referred to as the US Postal Service by USADA in press eleases

I don't think it was ever only about Lance, much as he would like everyone to think it was.

d.