The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[rich p]

What I love about the true quality of your contribution is the lack of common courtesy... Really speaks volumes about the value

Doesn't agree with Noodley 's limited agenda - Nobber

Post something that doesn't agree with Noodley's limited agenda -Nobber



Such valuable depth, insight and wisdom really must be admired

Then again it is easier that actually discussing the points you are uncomfortable with

You really are very dim. As has been pointed out many, many times, we have been vilifying and publicising every doper since CC began. You name them, we've shamed them.
On the other hand, you have only appeared since Armstrong got nailed.
Who is obsessed with him, us or you?

 

[rich p]

Again, from the Daniel Coyle/Tyler Hamilton source it does seem that Armstrong was the most important cyclist in escalating the problem. But he couldn't have done it without the professional, doping doctors. The likes of Fuentes who operated in Spain where no anti-doping laws applied and who made millions of dollars supplying the cheats with their materials.

This is not intended to be sarcastic, Hotblack, but are you aware that we have been discussing this subject for years? (See my post earlier re multi-page threads).
By all means join the club but this is very old ground to most of us so posting snippets of old news could get tedious.
The next big thing is, hopefully, Fuentes getting his just desserts when Operacion Puerto is re-assessed. There is also Bruyneel's appeal case to come before USADA and Pepe Marti's too. Pepe Marti, incidentally, being Contador's ex-supplier 'trainer'.

 

[Noodley]

What I love about the true quality of your contribution is the lack of common courtesy... Really speaks volumes about the value
Doesn't agree with Noodley 's limited agenda - Nobber
Post something that doesn't agree with Noodley's limited agenda -Nobber

Such valuable depth, insight and wisdom really must be admired

Then again it is easier that actually discussing the points you are uncomfortable with

There you go again, making stuff up that does not exist...

You and Lance have a lot in common.

 

[ufkacbln]

You really are very dim. As has been pointed out many, many times, we have been vilifying and publicising every doper since CC began. You name them, we've shamed them.
On the other hand, you have only appeared since Armstrong got nailed.
Who is obsessed with him, us or you?

More valuable contribution from the Omertà

Seems to me that the need to resort to the usual childishness rather than positive contribution rather reinforces the point

 

[Noodley]

More valuable contribution from the Omertà

You don't know what that means, do you?

You might as well have written "More valuable contribution from the Penguin" for all the sense it makes.

 

[rich p]

More valuable contribution from the Omertà

Seems to me that the need to resort to the usual childishness rather than positive contribution rather reinforces the point

My point is that the rest of us are interested in all the dopers in cycling and have been for many years. What your point is I have yet to fathom.

 

[Noodley]

My point is that the rest of us are interested in all the dopers in cycling and have been for many years. What your point is I have yet to fathom.

I think the point is the rest of us are actually interested in pro cycling and know what we are on about based on many years of following the sport.

 

[Hotblack Desiato]

This is not intended to be sarcastic, Hotblack, but are you aware that we have been discussing this subject for years? (See my post earlier re multi-page threads).
By all means join the club but this is very old ground to most of us so posting snippets of old news could get tedious.
The next big thing is, hopefully, Fuentes getting his just desserts when Operacion Puerto is re-assessed. There is also Bruyneel's appeal case to come before USADA and Pepe Marti's too. Pepe Marti, incidentally, being Contador's ex-supplier 'trainer'.

Yes, I understand there are huge amounts of this discussion, however the fact that such a high profile cyclist/doper as Hamilton is at last saying this stuff in a kind of confession after years of denial is kind of groundbreaking. One extraordinary thing is his self-perception as an honest kind of guy.

Shame he is probably making money out of the book but on the plus side it sufficiently well written and annotated for dimwits like me to understand!

 

[ufkacbln]

My point is that the rest of us are interested in all the dopers in cycling and have been for many years. What your point is I have yet to fathom.

That explains your previous claim that referring to other dopers is apologist for Armstrong's behaviour and diverting the discussion from the important matters then?

You really couldn't make this up!

 

[rich p]

My point is that the rest of us are interested in allthe dopers in cycling and have been for many years. What your point is I have yet to fathom.

That explains your previous claim that referring to other dopers is apologist for Armstrong's behaviour and diverting the discussion from the important matters then?

You really couldn't make this up!

Are these two posts in any way related?
I honestly have no idea to what you are referring.
How many times can we, as a group, say that we still are and have always been interested and vilifiying all dopers for years?

If you can't understand that much, I have to conclude that you are deliberately misunderstanding to be mischievous.

 

[ufkacbln]

I have no problem understanding this

The claim that discussing other dopers is obfuscating and apologist was all your own work

Or are you now denying that you have ever stated this?

 

[Hotblack Desiato]

Not at all, he is absolutely and unequivocally the cause of his own downfall

However as frequently stated before, he is not the only one guilty of cheating, using drugs to gain an illegal advantage or any of the other offences

Use Armstrong as a key to open the Pandora's box that was the reality of cycling and you will find that he was the worst, but not the only offender

So what is your point?

 

[mickle]

FFS

 

[raindog]

FFS

indeed

 

[Noodley]

not long til we reach 100 pages...