thom
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It's true, books are often used as fuel in crematoriums these days.
The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*
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I wonder what the glow time is for "It's Not about the Bike"?
tigger
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That sounds like a good thread topic - Books you would gladly donate as crematorium fuel
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Anything by Robbie Burns.
thom
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Even Mr Grumpy ?2235395 said:
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Interesting article in the NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/s...g-said-to-weigh-admission-of-doping.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/s...g-said-to-weigh-admission-of-doping.html?_r=0
Yep, the NY Times article is interesting, another piece worth a read too...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/if-lan...to-those-tour-de-france-titles-051119475.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/if-lan...to-those-tour-de-france-titles-051119475.html
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As with all things Lance, he will only do something if he can get an edge, not because it's the right thing to do.
He also tweeted this the other day.
https://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/286496618507804673
In which he calls a linked blog post "most balanced piece we've seen yet"
The blog post includes the below paragraph
"Outright angels do not win a Tour de France. That is the domain of the most talented, hard, driven, ruthless and selfish riders. Lance did what he had to do to win, and he clearly did it very well. If he cheated, he cheated the other cheats of that era, even if by doing so he also cheated an adoring public. He didn’t kill anyone along the way, and as a father of five, he’s no child molester either. For me, his punishment outweighs the alleged crimes, for a lifetime ban from all sports seems quite draconian in this day and age. I’m surprised USADA hasn’t also fixed an ankle-bracelet to Armstrong’s leg, just in case he tries to sneak into a triathlon or ultra-distance running event in disguise. Maybe in time he’ll appeal his sentence and another sport can get to see what an extraordinary athlete Armstrong still is – triathlon almost did. Sport has to be kept as pure as possible, not just for the sakes of the world’s youth, but for the bridge it offers into all walks of life. Sport transcends business and politics, two of the worst evils known to mankind. On occasion, though not often enough, sport stops wars, and it can act as a healer of racial and cultural differences too – though it still has a long way to go in that direction. The pureness of sport is worth protecting then. Except that its very spirit encourages cheating, for at the upper echelons there’s too much fame and fortune that comes with such a pure and simple thing as winning."
https://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/286496618507804673
In which he calls a linked blog post "most balanced piece we've seen yet"
The blog post includes the below paragraph
"Outright angels do not win a Tour de France. That is the domain of the most talented, hard, driven, ruthless and selfish riders. Lance did what he had to do to win, and he clearly did it very well. If he cheated, he cheated the other cheats of that era, even if by doing so he also cheated an adoring public. He didn’t kill anyone along the way, and as a father of five, he’s no child molester either. For me, his punishment outweighs the alleged crimes, for a lifetime ban from all sports seems quite draconian in this day and age. I’m surprised USADA hasn’t also fixed an ankle-bracelet to Armstrong’s leg, just in case he tries to sneak into a triathlon or ultra-distance running event in disguise. Maybe in time he’ll appeal his sentence and another sport can get to see what an extraordinary athlete Armstrong still is – triathlon almost did. Sport has to be kept as pure as possible, not just for the sakes of the world’s youth, but for the bridge it offers into all walks of life. Sport transcends business and politics, two of the worst evils known to mankind. On occasion, though not often enough, sport stops wars, and it can act as a healer of racial and cultural differences too – though it still has a long way to go in that direction. The pureness of sport is worth protecting then. Except that its very spirit encourages cheating, for at the upper echelons there’s too much fame and fortune that comes with such a pure and simple thing as winning."
thom
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If confessing brings thorough evidence of the details of what happened, that is a good thing.
I don't like the idea of reducing a ban but what USADA/WADA do has to be focused on cleaning sport of drug abuse. All the people involved in the USADA report, like Bruyneel, have to be sanctioned successfully.
Even now, I would grudgingly argue that a meaningful confession should offer him some kind of benefit. You want doping authorities to demonstrate to those involved in doping that they have the ability to turn even a kingpin. Ferrari would be incinerated. How many other leads to dodgy doctors could be closed down? USADA's position would become stronger if you had it on record the details of the way Armstrong attempted to get congressmen to influence cases brought against him.
I don't like the idea of reducing a ban but what USADA/WADA do has to be focused on cleaning sport of drug abuse. All the people involved in the USADA report, like Bruyneel, have to be sanctioned successfully.
Even now, I would grudgingly argue that a meaningful confession should offer him some kind of benefit. You want doping authorities to demonstrate to those involved in doping that they have the ability to turn even a kingpin. Ferrari would be incinerated. How many other leads to dodgy doctors could be closed down? USADA's position would become stronger if you had it on record the details of the way Armstrong attempted to get congressmen to influence cases brought against him.
I am not sure that sanctions are still possible
In some cases there was a "plea bargain" and a nominal fine / suspension given in return for evidence.
I am not sure exactly the legal standing of that contract, but it is likely that there is a clause that along the lines of "full and final settlement" that would preclude further or extended sanctions for these "offences"
On the subject of bargains.....WADA / USADA have clearly stated that they would have been less severe with Armstrong had he confessed and assisted. It would be interesting to see the reaction if he was now allowed to negotiate a reduced ban, even at this late stage?
In some cases there was a "plea bargain" and a nominal fine / suspension given in return for evidence.
I am not sure exactly the legal standing of that contract, but it is likely that there is a clause that along the lines of "full and final settlement" that would preclude further or extended sanctions for these "offences"
On the subject of bargains.....WADA / USADA have clearly stated that they would have been less severe with Armstrong had he confessed and assisted. It would be interesting to see the reaction if he was now allowed to negotiate a reduced ban, even at this late stage?
Noodley
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The last sentence of the NY Times article:
“He’s doing O.K. for a guy that has had his livelihood and his life torn from him, but he’s very strong,” Herman said.
Aye, a lot fecking better than others who had their livelihoods and lives torn from them due to doping - and the influence of Armstrong.
“He’s doing O.K. for a guy that has had his livelihood and his life torn from him, but he’s very strong,” Herman said.
Aye, a lot fecking better than others who had their livelihoods and lives torn from them due to doping - and the influence of Armstrong.
Noodley
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Andy Schleck uses the "doping is a thing of the past" line:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cycling-has-already-changed-says-schleck
Nobber.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cycling-has-already-changed-says-schleck
Nobber.
