The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[Crackle]

Except to add this: WADA talking sense compared to the UCI...

"They, along with USADA, have been labelled as witch hunters by a minority"

Gosh, really. Not seen any of that here.

 

[Buddfox]

Howman added: “... There’s a situation at the moment where a lot of words have been spoken in a scenario where we’ve got to shut up and wait for the reasoned decision from USADA. We’ll do that because we’ve got to show the world that we’ve looked at it carefully. We don’t want to start saying what we think or feel in the media. It’s just not right."

Was he talking about these threads...?

 

[Buddfox]

[QUOTE 2038052, member: 45"]So, to those of us who have enjoyed learning from reading the words of those who know more, where are we now? Can anyone give a succinct summary of the next steps?[/quote]

I don't think much has changed in the last several days, mostly the Hamilton book, Talansky's interview and a sense that the 'omerta' is starting to shake. For me at least it's still all eyes on USADA and their next move

 

[Flying_Monkey]

I don't think much has changed in the last several days, mostly the Hamilton book, Talansky's interview and a sense that the 'omerta' is starting to shake. For me at least it's still all eyes on USADA and their next move

I think that's fair enough.

 

[rich p]

Howman added: “... There’s a situation at the moment where a lot of words have been spoken in a scenario where we’ve got to shut up and wait for the reasoned decision from USADA. We’ll do that because we’ve got to show the world that we’ve looked at it carefully. We don’t want to start saying what we think or feel in the media. It’s just not right."

Was he talking about these threads...?

A dig at McQuaid.

 

[Buddfox]

A dig at McQuaid.

Indeed...

 

[Red Light]

Whilst the levels of frustration on both 'sides' are obvious to the impartial reader, the problem is that the accusation of troll could be equally levelled by both sides but that wouldn't make it correct. As said previously, two sides have strong opinions and little beyond gossip, hearsay and titbits of varying levels of relevance to support those opinions.

The parallels to religious debates are striking.

Can we not move Armstrong threads alongside helmet threads for the same reason? I'm not sure why one thread has driven members out of the forum and out of CC but perhaps putting it in a place for controversial subjects would help.

It deals with another aspect raised by Noodley which is a perception that their forum has been invaded by people with no interest in Pro Cycling. Just to say that you can read CC in Forum Mode where you would go to the ProCycling forum to read what there is on the subject or you can read it in latest posts mode, as I do, where you see a list of the latest posts from across all forums. I did not go to the ProCycling forum as some seem to think to disrupt it. I saw a thread title in the list of latest posts that interested me and posted a reply. I really don't notice which forum in CC any of the posts I make go to. But perhaps if Armstrong were taken out of ProCycling the regular forum posters might at least feel their forum was almost back to how it was.

Just my £0.02

 

[Red Light]

The truth, as they say, will out.

But in the meantime please feel free to flog your own particular - if not entirely yet but certainly comatose - dead horse. But not here, because the rules of engagement of this thread includes 'no hesitation, deviation or repetition '.

FTFY

 

[Rob88]

Amongst all the passion and shoot from the hip stuff going on around here with the "regulars" fighting their corner to preserve their rights to ownership of the dominant value system governing this small part of the space time continuem, something very important has just happened as Albion, above pointed out, the whole drama has been encapsulated in a nutshell - It is a stunning piece of radio. He gives the web link above.
The whole Armstrong thing is desperately sad and the questioner certainly does not pull his punches. According to current thinking, (well Radio 4 last week anyhow) polygraphs can be manipulated, facial movement and body language disguised but the voice will always betray. People invariably pick up when someone lies on the phone because all the senses focus.

 

[Noodley]

The whole Armstrong thing is desperately sad.

Nope, I am laughing quite loudly.

 

[ufkacbln]

Nope, I am laughing quite loudly.

Given that the evidence is showing widespread doping throughout the professional Peleton at this period of time, I for one fail to find anything funny.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Yeah, okay.

Besides. We all know think believe are sure are certain hope he's guilty as sin.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Eh? Nothing like trolling. It was a shrug of the shoulders response to Greg's suggestion that there is nothing to discuss.
Clearly there is, as the numerous posts testify. The point I, and Noodley, are making is that the most interesting and well-read posters have felt the need to vacate the thread.
To be honest, I don't want to debate these semantics with you Norm as I've accepted that the debate has been stifled and has nowhere to go on here at the moment.

That's how I took it btw.

I guess I have a teeny advantage in this. I've met Rich P, I've ridden with him, I hold him high regard as a man of maturity, knowledge and experience (and a lovely wife who is btw WAY out of his league), and all round decent cycling bloke. I know he, like many others in here, hold my simplistic 'oh sod it, just let 'em all dope, suicide isn't illegal' opinions in contempt, which he is completely entitled to do, and I see no reason to fall out with anyone over any of this.

 

[rich p]

Besides. We all know think believe are sure are certain hope he's guilty as sin.

Careful Greg, I got labelled a troll for using that smiley
That encapsulates it though - some know, some dither, some deny and some hope.

 

[rich p]

Cross-posted. Thanks Greg - PM the mods would you?
No don't!!

Punching above my weight!!!! Cheeky sod.