The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[rich p]

What is there to debate, reasonably or otherwise? No new evidence or testimony, just loads of rumour and speculation, press articles and the odd book.

Yeah, okay.

 

[lukesdad]

It's probably run its course for now, a kind of limbo period until the UCI make a move? I wonder if they will play the long game and quietly back the USADA once the dust has settled?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19527032

Aren't the UCI still waiting for something from USADA ?

 

[tigger]

Aren't the UCI still waiting for something from USADA ?

Oh yeah! At least we think they are. It's a waiting game either way!

 

[smutchin]

Aren't the UCI still waiting for something from USADA ?

Yes - a massive kick in the teeth.

d.

 

[lukesdad]

Yes - a massive kick in the teeth.

d.

I do hope so.

 

[ufkacbln]

This is the very reason why we need an independent investigation here.

The USADA is in some ways discredited by it's breaches of its own rules and the UCI is accused of hiding results, and corruption.

Neither is really suitable to take this forward beyond the Armstrong investigation.

Worst case scenario is we end up with bickering and infighting that not only clouds, but even overtakes the issue of doping in this period.

 

[lukesdad]

Just passing comment Norm, whatever the intention the fact is that the majority of the regular and informed Racing posters will not be seen here. I know of a few who have contacted me stating their intention to not bother coming back to CC - their choice, but not a favourable one to make, as they actually brought something to the racing forum. But I'l shut up.

Ooh a Masonic flounce ?

 

[lukesdad]

This is the very reason why we need an independent investigation here.

The USADA is in some ways discredited by it's breaches of its own rules and the UCI is accused of hiding results, and corruption.

Neither is really suitable to take this forward beyond the Armstrong investigation.

Worst case scenario is we end up with bickering and infighting that not only clouds, but even overtakes the issue of doping in this period.

 

[mickle]

This is the very reason why we need an independent investigation here.

The USADA is in some ways discredited by it's breaches of its own rules and the UCI is accused of hiding results, and corruption.

Neither is really suitable to take this forward beyond the Armstrong investigation.

Worst case scenario is we end up with bickering and infighting that not only clouds, but even overtakes the issue of doping in this period.

The truth, as they say, will out.

But in the meantime please feel free to flog your own particular - if not entirely yet but certainly comatose - dead horse. But not here, because the rules of engagement of this thread includes 'no repetition'.

 

[albion]

Probably like much of the general population I have now learnt to stay away from the Armstrong threads.

However I got to listen to World Service hard talk with Tyler Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00xqj1l/Hardtalk_Tyler_Hamilton_Former_professional_cyclist/

"You need to read it in the book"

 

[Norm]

Yeah, okay.

Have a little real think about it, Rich, and I reckon you'll have a sudden eureka moment and understand how, if that had been posted by certain others, you would have no trouble seeing it as being derogatory, inflammatory, extraneous, adding nothing of consequence, promoting response in kind... in other words, it is the perfect example of the way a troll would post.

For showing such a perfect example of Shaun's point, you have my thanks. But those thanks would be multiplied a thousand times if you, and others, did take that little time out to reflect before being so quick to see it in others.

 

[rich p]

Eh? Nothing like trolling. It was a shrug of the shoulders response to Greg's suggestion that there is nothing to discuss.
Clearly there is, as the numerous posts testify. The point I, and Noodley, are making is that the most interesting and well-read posters have felt the need to vacate the thread.
To be honest, I don't want to debate these semantics with you Norm as I've accepted that the debate has been stifled and has nowhere to go on here at the moment.

 

[Norm]

A missed opportunity.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

A missed opportunity.

It is unfortunately, the result of Scoosh killing the existing thread that had lots of knowledgeable stuff in it, even with the more pointless bits, and now all we have is a shadow of a discussion - which even I don't feel like getting involved in.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Except to add this: WADA talking sense compared to the UCI...