The CycleChat Helmet Debate Thread

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Roxy641

Senior Member
Location
Croydon
So why do you avoid that road?

Roads might not kill people, but some certainly seem to encourage motorists to kill.

Unless you know the area, it won't mean anything to you. But for those that do, I was referring to Croydon Flyover. EDIT: The reason being the speed of the cars that travel across it.
 
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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Unless you know the area, it won't mean anything to you. But for those that do, I was referring to Croydon
Flyover.
I didn't ask which road, but why you avoid it if there's nothing wrong with roads and it's only motorists that kill...
 

Roxy641

Senior Member
Location
Croydon
I suppose it depends how you define failure and success. For me the fact I did not sustain any head injury despite a substantial impact rather suggests a success. I cannot see how it could be considered a failure. Is it so hard to accept that a helmet may have prevented a head injury? Such a dogmatic point of view rather prevents sensible meaningful discussion.

To be fair Big Andy, you seem just as dogmatic as we are. You seem sure that it helped you. Is it so hard to accept that helmet "may not have prevented a head injury"? You don't know for sure and neither do we, so why be so sure that it does prevent head injuries? There is no evidence either way. Why do you think the companies that make them don't claim that they save lifes?
 

Roxy641

Senior Member
Location
Croydon
Hypothetical question.

Cyclist standing near some scaffolding with his bicycle about to cross a road, when one of the workmen on the scaffolding looses the grip on a 2lb hammer, it falls off the scaffolding falling 20 feet & striking the cyclist on the head. Would the potential injury the cyclist received be greater or less if he was wearing a cycling helmet?

How about a hypothetical answer to the hypothetical question...

What if the cyclist had locked her/his bike and is now waiting for a bus. She/he is no longer a cyclist, they have put their cycling helmet away. You don't need to be a cyclist for a 2lb hammer to fall on you. You might even be a non-cyclist who refuses to wear a helmet. Yes, even when you are standing near some scaffolding. Again, all your example proves is that "anyone" who stands near some scaffolding should perhaps wear a helmet. If we were to take it to it's logical conclusion. Otherwise you are just "picking on the cyclist" who isn't wearing a helmet.
 

Roxy641

Senior Member
Location
Croydon
Like hyperthetical hammers you mean?

Less of them in the countryside, but then beware of flying deer, flying squirrels, flying anything really. I think I'm gonna need a much larger helmet if I ever see a flying elephant when I visit Africa or India. Before you all mock the idea of a elephant flying... you've seen a horsefly, a housefly...
 

Big Andy

Über Member
To be fair Big Andy, you seem just as dogmatic as we are. You seem sure that it helped you. Is it so hard to accept that helmet "may not have prevented a head injury"? You don't know for sure and neither do we, so why be so sure that it does prevent head injuries? There is no evidence either way. Why do you think the companies that make them don't claim that they save lifes?
I think if you check my posts I have used terms like possibly and may, might have gone as far as saying probably, fairly certain I have not said definitely prevented injury, I also have said there is no way of knowing how bad an injury would have been. I can only base my feelings on the matter on my experience of the incident, the damage the helmet sustained and how hard my head appeared to hit the ground.
 

Roxy641

Senior Member
Location
Croydon
Maybe they are embarrassed to come out and say they had an accident without a helmet and it hurt their head a fair bit!
After all they could have reduced the "hurt" by errrrrr wearing a helmet :okay:

I've had more years cycling helmet-less than with a helmet. Yet I've never had any head injuries when I haven't been
wearing a helmet. There is something else that can happen when you have an accident. When you KNOW that you
are gonna fall off your bike, you try and fall with it and protect your head. I'd rather one of my arms gets injured than my
head. Are people taking this into account? I don't think they are. We know that our head is more prone to serious injury than if he hit some other part of our body such as chest, arms etc.
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
I've had more years cycling helmet-less than with a helmet. Yet I've never had any head injuries when I haven't been
wearing a helmet. There is something else that can happen when you have an accident. When you KNOW that you
are gonna fall off your bike, you try and fall with it and protect your head. I'd rather one of my arms gets injured than my
head. Are people taking this into account? I don't think they are. We know that our head is more prone to serious injury than if he hit some other part of our body such as chest, arms etc.
I think when we fall, toddler instinct come in to play. We don't really think about it, we just stick our limbs out and twist our neck away from the ground... which is why that daft Thudguard (the toddler helmet) seems like such a bad idea... toddlers wouldn't learn how to fall if they don't feel pain when they hit their Thudguarded head.
 

Roxy641

Senior Member
Location
Croydon
Can't think why not;
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Summary: We asked two noted helmet experts what thickness of foam would be required to turn a current bike helmet into an anti-concussion helmet by keeping the CPSC two-meter flat anvil drop test below 100g. Here is the result.

Yes, that might work. :biggrin: Mind you, you might topple over the moment you picked up some speed on your bike.
 
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