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The CycleChat Helmet Debate Thread
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newfhouse
Resolutely on topic
Ever had an accident?I buff mine daily
Spinney
Bimbleur extraordinaire
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Ahem. You're not supposed to be discussing that kind of helmet! Back on topic, please...
MontyVeda
a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
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- Lancaster... the little city.
but it's the only helmet some of us own 
Starchivore
I don't know much about Cinco de Mayo
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- Halifax, West Yorkshire
A few years ago the Post Office tried to make helmets compulsory. The HSE stated clearly that cycle helmets are NOT PPE in Health and Safety terms, and would not support the Post Office.
THat is why the Post Office went down the uniform route to enforce their use
Mugshot
Cracking a solo.
I do like that gif and I particularly like your avatar, I look forward to your future contributions.
@Lonestar , I hope you don't mind-I have "cross posted" here as I did not want to divert the original thread
Also this is MY opinion not Lonestar's
An interesting one .....
If the cyclist had been the one with a head injury, there would have been lots of helmet questions, but as it is a pedestrian - all is quiet on the helmet front
Also this is MY opinion not Lonestar's
An interesting one .....
If the cyclist had been the one with a head injury, there would have been lots of helmet questions, but as it is a pedestrian - all is quiet on the helmet front
No worries and as far as I'm concerned it's up to the individual cyclist if they want to wear a cycle helmet...I wear one now because I prefer to as I feel more comfortable.....If the pedestrian had the head injury no helmet questions would be asked.No.
@Cunobelin
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EnPassant
Remember Remember some date in November Member
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Blame the guitar man 
I've read all 200+ pages now (I feel one really should if one is to be taken seriously when commenting) and I fear I cannot add anything to the debate that hasn't already been said, bar one thing, namely:
It's one more person convinced by the arguments within to remove their helmet.
I *feel* safer with one however this has I believe been shown to be erroneous in this thread.
The only evidence I have been swayed by has been on the side that says for whatever reason wearing a helmet isn't safer and may in fact be less safe than not wearing one (Aus/NZ/Can data being the prime source). I can find no evidence here or elsewhere to the contrary (the oft quoted 'it's obvious innit' 'saved my life...' isn't evidence).
Once I have dispensed with the personal safety aspect, the only nagging doubt that remains is the one about 'victim blaming', I am still somewhat concerned about the consequences of this should I ever become a victim.
It seems to me that on a personal level I could theoretically lose compensation in court, be berated by the public and more worryingly the police and health professionals for not wearing one should the worst occur. Being berated I can live with, losing compensation or a court case is a concern. This worry would be obviated by my continuing to wear one, albeit at an increased risk of being injured in the first place.
Against this I must balance the increased risk of injury and also, crucially, the fact that the more people that wear helmets the greater the perception of cycling being viewed as dangerous and thence the commensurate increase in risks brought about by both less cyclists and an increased chance of compulsion (both of which make *my* cycling more dangerous).
At the end of the day, for me (personal choice, informed decision), the risk of being a blamed victim is insufficient - the helmet goes.
I've read all 200+ pages now (I feel one really should if one is to be taken seriously when commenting) and I fear I cannot add anything to the debate that hasn't already been said, bar one thing, namely:
It's one more person convinced by the arguments within to remove their helmet.
I *feel* safer with one however this has I believe been shown to be erroneous in this thread.
The only evidence I have been swayed by has been on the side that says for whatever reason wearing a helmet isn't safer and may in fact be less safe than not wearing one (Aus/NZ/Can data being the prime source). I can find no evidence here or elsewhere to the contrary (the oft quoted 'it's obvious innit' 'saved my life...' isn't evidence).
Once I have dispensed with the personal safety aspect, the only nagging doubt that remains is the one about 'victim blaming', I am still somewhat concerned about the consequences of this should I ever become a victim.
It seems to me that on a personal level I could theoretically lose compensation in court, be berated by the public and more worryingly the police and health professionals for not wearing one should the worst occur. Being berated I can live with, losing compensation or a court case is a concern. This worry would be obviated by my continuing to wear one, albeit at an increased risk of being injured in the first place.
Against this I must balance the increased risk of injury and also, crucially, the fact that the more people that wear helmets the greater the perception of cycling being viewed as dangerous and thence the commensurate increase in risks brought about by both less cyclists and an increased chance of compulsion (both of which make *my* cycling more dangerous).
At the end of the day, for me (personal choice, informed decision), the risk of being a blamed victim is insufficient - the helmet goes.
Cool. And chapeau if you really have read all 247 pages.
I imagine @User will be along at some point to confirm or deny there being any incidence of contributory negligence ever having been used to make any difference in an actual court case. It would likely be harder to find confirmatory evidence either way of it making a difference in a pre-court settlement though.
I imagine @User will be along at some point to confirm or deny there being any incidence of contributory negligence ever having been used to make any difference in an actual court case. It would likely be harder to find confirmatory evidence either way of it making a difference in a pre-court settlement though.
MontyVeda
a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
- Location
- Lancaster... the little city.
I get what you're saying @EnPassant ...but where does it end?
You don the helmet as a legal failsafe, so the victim blamers ask if you were wearing hi-viz too... then they'd question your road position, whether or not you may have done a suicidal swerve... anything to worm out of a payout or claim. It's the thin end of the wedge when it comes to cowtowing to insurers.
Saying that, i'm not telling you not to wear a helmet. Your head, your choice.
You don the helmet as a legal failsafe, so the victim blamers ask if you were wearing hi-viz too... then they'd question your road position, whether or not you may have done a suicidal swerve... anything to worm out of a payout or claim. It's the thin end of the wedge when it comes to cowtowing to insurers.
Saying that, i'm not telling you not to wear a helmet. Your head, your choice.
2IT
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snorri
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