The Armstrong Lie

[ufkacbln]

From what you've seen and read about him, what do you think?

It has certainly worked for others.

It will be interesting to see how the various sides play out.

However the real interest from my point of view is how this would change the attitude of others.

IF Armstrong is rehabilitated, given his history, where does that leave the lesser offenders?

 

[rich p]

Intelligent debate is not dead then?

How on earth would you know?

 

[tigger]

Fat-face Roche is a dick

In fairness Rich I think he's a Fat-face cock

 

[tigger]

It has certainly worked for others.

It will be interesting to see how the various sides play out.

However the real interest from my point of view is how this would change the attitude of others.

IF Armstrong is rehabilitated, given his history, where does that leave the lesser offenders?

Ok I'll answer that for you. He's clearly incapable of anything other than PR rehabilitation

 

[rich p]

yet David Miller is a good old chap, who many here think should be more involved in the governing body of cycling, strange...
Roche suspected doper whooooo, the shock horror, rertired since the 1990's, doesn't mean there isn't a place in the sport for him, he just might have something to offer, actually he just might have a lot to offer...

He's proved himself to be a laughing stock with most of his suggestions to improve pro-cycling. He should really step aside and stop embarrassing himself

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

I think the flag in your avatar is maybe having a bit too much influence here Irish, it seems to be obscuring your view

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

yet David Miller is a good old chap, who many here think should be more involved in the governing body of cycling, strange...
Roche suspected doper whooooo, the shock horror, retired since the 1990's, doesn't mean there isn't a place in the sport for him, he just might have something to offer, actually he just might have a lot to offer...

He might if he stops defending dopers. Millar has shown it can be done to come in from the cold...but it requires a change. Roche is banging the same old písh from the "bad old days"

 

[rich p]

Suggestions are exactly what they are, some good, some bad, isn't that how things generally work... not sure what you expect him to do..

I expect him to take his prehistoric, laughable old school ideas out of the arena.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

of course it is, how silly of me, us Irish should really just be sheep and just agree with everything wrote on CC...

It does look like you think anything said against a fellow countryman is an attack on your country. You got issues with being Irish, Irish? If so, take it out on the English...

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

or just maybe he can see the hypocrisy or utter nonsense in pretending no one won those TDF's

Unlikely, if he can't understand it like Froomedog, Wiggins and Cuddles did then he's stuck in the past and has no place in modern cycling.

I'd say exactly the same about Indurain if he got involved in modern cycling politics. And others.

 

[rich p]

or just maybe he can see the hypocrisy or utter nonsense in pretending no one won those TDF's

Nobody won them cos they all cheated.
The space in the record books is a salutary reminder that it was a tainted period. Glossing over it by awarding it to the next doper in line who didn't get caught, or keeping the doper who won it as winner misses the point quite spectacularly

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

hold on a minute you mentioned me being Irish was a reason for defending Roche, the problem is clearly your...

Aye, and you rose to it

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

but as I've stated you have named riders who clearly have to say whats expected, who knows what they really think..

We can only go on what people say and/or do - maybe Roche doesn't really think what he is saying either?

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

that doesn't really make sense....

Maybe Roche is only saying what he is saying because that's what he thinks people expect him to say; maybe he hates Armstrong and other dopers?

 

[rich p]

so what about the rest, lets just leave them as winners or do we gloss over them..I think an asterisk and a subnote would work, at the end of the day a scumbag doper beat other scumbag dopers but the race was run and won, pretending otherwise seems pointless...

I'm sorry mate, I really cba to do this argument again.