The Armstrong Lie

Did LA dope in 2009?

  • Yes

    Votes: 76 89.4%
  • No

    Votes: 9 10.6%

  • Total voters
    85
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Hont

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It's going to be the same self-serving sh*te as always. He'll carry on lying about doping during the comeback and disseminating/distorting all the stuff we already know about from the USADA document and Hamilton's book.

He's produced two books that weren't worth the paper they were written on. Unless he fingers everyone involved (not holding my breath) I don't imagine this will be any different.

Won't buy it, won't read it.
 
I've always been one of those who believed Armstrong doped and was firmly in the Anti-Lance camp, but for all that I can't help having a sneaking admiration for the guy. Since he fessed up he's become one of the people I'd like to have a drink with, I still don't condone what he did but villains never seem so bad after they've been caught. We all have a dark side, it's just a matter of degree as to how bad it is.

I'll buy the book when it comes out.
 

Hont

Guru
Location
Bromsgrove
Since he fessed up he's become one of the people I'd like to have a drink with, I still don't condone what he did but villains never seem so bad after they've been caught. We all have a dark side, it's just a matter of degree as to how bad it is.

I'll buy the book when it comes out.
You realise that is exactly what he wants. He's lost all his TDF titles so now he wants to win at PR. If he was genuinely remorseful he would be saying what a weight off his shoulders it was (a la Hamilton, Millar etc), not telling of his regret at being found out.
 
You realise that is exactly what he wants. He's lost all his TDF titles so now he wants to win at PR. If he was genuinely remorseful he would be saying what a weight off his shoulders it was (a la Hamilton, Millar etc), not telling of his regret at being found out.
Of course it's what he wants, no-one wants to go through life as a Pariah. He was a wrong 'un big time and I was glad when it all unravelled for him, but nevertheless he is a complicated and fascinating character with a story to tell and the value of his proposed book will depend on exactly what he does tell.

You have to understand how and why to arm yourself against being caught again in the same fashion.
 
I've always been one of those who believed Armstrong doped and was firmly in the Anti-Lance camp, but for all that I can't help having a sneaking admiration for the guy. Since he fessed up he's become one of the people I'd like to have a drink with, I still don't condone what he did but villains never seem so bad after they've been caught. We all have a dark side, it's just a matter of degree as to how bad it is.

I'll buy the book when it comes out.
We look forward to a review of it.
 

Hont

Guru
Location
Bromsgrove
You have to understand how and why to arm yourself against being caught again in the same fashion.
Whilst that is certainly true, it does depend on how much he tells and whether he adds anything to the facts that we already now from USADA and Hamilton's book. Incidentally I'd recommend, if you haven't done so already, that you read the USADA reasoned decision first. Not least because it's free and doesn't put cash into the pocket of a cheating bully.

he is a complicated and fascinating character
I'm not sure he's that complicated. I think he just wants to win at everything all the time and chooses the tactics to suit that aim. It used to be doping, bullying and intimidation, now it's this "open, honest"* approach to the media.

I can't imagine that his kids are jumping up and down at the thought of all this flaring up again. Still it's not like he puts himself first.

*94.5% of the people voting on this thread think it's nothing of the sort.
 
[QUOTE 3239289, member: 45"]That's easy. Don't cheat.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't referring to how dopers could avoid getting caught, but how the sport itself could get more of an understanding of how to detect and stop it.
 
[QUOTE 3239289, member: 45"]That's easy. Don't cheat.[/QUOTE]

There have always been cheats though,

Simpson was one of the first, yet has a cult following and memorials
 

HF2300

Insanity Prawn Boy
Well, he's right on two counts. There has to be totally no bull, and I don't trust this guy with all his bull.
 
Sorry - I forgot that mentioning Simpson was a cheat was unwelcome by some.... rather proving the point

We've covered this one so many times already. We acknowledged your point and then moved on. You keep saying that mentioning Simpson proves something, which it does not. You keep going on about it in threads about Armstrong; yet I can't think you contribute to other threads about doping (unless to mention Simpson)
 
I must apologise if you really feel that I have upset your need to censor these discussions.....

As far as I am concerned it is permissible to answer other peoples posts - even if it without your (unneccessary) approval.
 
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