Team BKool CycleChat

[bobinski]

Me either. But that’s only part of the point. I’d love to hear from pep on the matter. And failing that I’d like him to know that we don’t recognise some of his results.
By saying nothing it makes us complicit doesn’t it?

Well, even as a Splitter I would say complicit is perhaps a strong word to be using about everyone here. After all no one on CC takes racing on bsim so seriously that they feel the need to say anything either to him or bkool. That’s understandable because doing so runs counter to the ethos of what CC stands for. What is perhaps surprising is that the Danes and others who are very serious racers have apparently not said anything. Does anyone know? Will he be racing in the worlds? Is that the time to do it? Or there an implicit understanding that everyone probably benefits to some extent and so just let it be because otherwise is to open a whole can of bkool worms? I don’t think anyone wants to contact him directly ,though I am that awkward bugger who would probably do so if I was competing but then I am not as nice as most of you!

I would certainly agree the situation involves a huge degree of complity on bkools part. But then he is part of their marketing and successful in real life racing too, I think. So to expose his and others high watts is perhaps to expose current failings in power/watts readings in the sim- though I got the impression things were improving? Fwiw I think an answer might be to ask bkool to dial in and recalibrate every participants trainer for accuracy. Or for them to release an App to allow this. Only those who did so would be allowed to compete in the larger bkool events etc.
Alternatively they could simply rewrite the software to make power output more accurate and then we would all be happy.

 

[<Tommy>]

Well, even as a Splitter I would say complicit is perhaps a strong word to be using about everyone here. After all no one on CC takes racing on bsim so seriously that they feel the need to say anything either to him or bkool. That’s understandable because doing so runs counter to the ethos of what CC stands for. What is perhaps surprising is that the Danes and others who are very serious racers have apparently not said anything. Does anyone know? Will he be racing in the worlds? Is that the time to do it? Or there an implicit understanding that everyone probably benefits to some extent and so just let it be because otherwise is to open a whole can of bkool worms? I don’t think anyone wants to contact him directly ,though I am that awkward bugger who would probably do so if I was competing but then I am not as nice as most of you!

I would certainly agree the situation involves a huge degree of complity on bkools part. But then he is part of their marketing and successful in real life racing too, I think. So to expose his and others high watts is perhaps to expose current failings in power/watts readings in the sim- though I got the impression things were improving? Fwiw I think an answer might be to ask bkool to dial in and recalibrate every participants trainer for accuracy. Or for them to release an App to allow this. Only those who did so would be allowed to compete in the larger bkool events etc.
Alternatively they could simply rewrite the software to make power output more accurate and then we would all be happy.

Why say it in a few sentences when you can write a book eh Bob...

I’m not sure if you’re being serious or just a bit bored and want a reaction! well I’m bored too so here goes nothing!!

I’m not sure what the ethos of cc is either. Did someone write up a manifesto when I was asleep!? If we can spend lots of pages talking about anomalies in performance we can ask the question directly no?

How serious we take it relative to others doesn’t really matter. If I’m in the school playground playing conkers as a kid, and someone turned up with a brick tied to a bit of string, I’m calling bull$hit!

 

[bobinski]

Why say it in a few sentences when you can write a book eh Bob...

I’m not sure if you’re being serious or just a bit bored and want a reaction! well I’m bored too so here goes nothing!!

I’m not sure what the ethos of cc is either. Did someone write up a manifesto when I was asleep!? If we can spend lots of pages talking about anomalies in performance we can ask the question directly no?

How serious we take it relative to others doesn’t really matter. If I’m in the school playground playing conkers as a kid, and someone turned up with a brick tied to a bit of string, I’m calling bull$hit!

I think we are BOTH a bit bored.

Yeah, I forgot you youngsters have a short attention span...

Well, go ahead and pm Pep or email him. Or email bkool. Or put a question or comment on their FB page. That short enough for you? Or do you want the permission of the CC bkoolers?

 

[<Tommy>]

I think we are BOTH a bit bored.

Yeah, I forgot you youngsters have a short attention span...

Well, go ahead and pm Pep or email him. Or email bkool. Or put a question or comment on their FB page. That short enough for you? Or do you want the permission of the CC bkoolers?

I think you’re still missing the point Bob me old mate!
When I was more active on BKOOL I spent way too much time emailing BKOOL relative to the responses I got. I also tried to contact them personally and individually via LinkedIn to no avail. Im not alone in this and it’s a well covered subject. I don’t speak spannish and I have a feeling from other situations pep doesn’t speak English so... What I suggested in my original post, was that Jacob has a more direct line to both BKOOL and pep than us, so I’d be interested to here from him and hear his opinion.

If you want the best opportunity to rattle a few cages then this is it!

 

[bobinski]

I think you’re still missing the point Bob me old mate!
When I was more active on BKOOL I spent way too much time emailing BKOOL relative to the responses I got. I also tried to contact them personally and individually via LinkedIn to no avail. Im not alone in this and it’s a well covered subject. I don’t speak spannish and I have a feeling from other situations pep doesn’t speak English so... What I suggested in my original post, was that Jacob has a more direct line to both BKOOL and pep than us, so I’d be interested to here from him and hear his opinion.

If you want the best opportunity to rattle a few cages then this is it!

You can use google translate to contact Pep.

Anyways, would you not want some concensus here first you Lone Wolf!

 

[Whorty]

Ok, go one then, I'll bite and respond .....

N'ah, not really ..... Maybe Pep is an old pro and he really is that good

 

[Bored Man]

I think the question needs asking as there are definitely anomalies in his line thingy. I should be spikey and not flatty

If I have to see @AAAC 76C (and his drill) get beat, I want him to be honestly beaten by someone using the same skills and not some dude on an eBike.

Nuff sed.... as they say in Yobsville..

 

[berty bassett]

How serious we take it relative to others doesn’t really matter. If I’m in the school playground playing conkers as a kid, and someone turned up with a brick tied to a bit of string, I’m calling bull$hit!

what if i painted the brick brown

 

[AAAC 76C]

Well, even as a Splitter I would say complicit is perhaps a strong word to be using about everyone here. After all no one on CC takes racing on bsim so seriously that they feel the need to say anything either to him or bkool. That’s understandable because doing so runs counter to the ethos of what CC stands for. What is perhaps surprising is that the Danes and others who are very serious racers have apparently not said anything. Does anyone know? Will he be racing in the worlds? Is that the time to do it? Or there an implicit understanding that everyone probably benefits to some extent and so just let it be because otherwise is to open a whole can of bkool worms? I don’t think anyone wants to contact him directly ,though I am that awkward bugger who would probably do so if I was competing but then I am not as nice as most of you!

I would certainly agree the situation involves a huge degree of complity on bkools part. But then he is part of their marketing and successful in real life racing too, I think. So to expose his and others high watts is perhaps to expose current failings in power/watts readings in the sim- though I got the impression things were improving? Fwiw I think an answer might be to ask bkool to dial in and recalibrate every participants trainer for accuracy. Or for them to release an App to allow this. Only those who did so would be allowed to compete in the larger bkool events etc.
Alternatively they could simply rewrite the software to make power output more accurate and then we would all be happy.

It was just a passing observation!

I was merely interested to find out what sort of watts they pull in our National Hill Climbs and quickly found an article that was almost straight to the point.
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/r...wer-output-national-hill-climb-victory-356860
All be it those that compete in our Nationals may not always be World class riders but none the less they will be pretty good and probably better at short explosive climbs than a Triathlete.
I have no doubt that Pep has incredible endurance capabilities but matching someone in watts/kg over 20 minutes who, in the above article, near killed himself in the opening minute of the a 4 minute climb and then just hung on to take the win by 3 seconds.
Other than that I have not got a clue what sort of w/kg someone like Froome could pull out of the bag over 20 minutes having not already cycled 100km but then again that would not be his specialty either.
I think we need to accept that BSim lies about our efforts when couple to a non-power measuring trainer. That may need to change in the near future now they are moving to metered trainers unless they have simply launched their Air to compete on other platforms such as Zwift.
As for Pep using erg during the climb I see that only advantageous in that it should allow you too not have to change gear so often and perhaps get into a better rhythm.
Myself I prefer the odd change in conditions in order to get some micros rests.
I would also say that where you might gain from using erg you will also loose as you wont get any of the power and hence speed over-swings that you get running standard.
Other than that, as @TurboTommy eluded to, I don't really care much for his, Pep's, results in BKool and prefer to measure myself against the like of @JacobSkovsgaard and Tommy Watt both of who regularly beat me when it's all about power but I can get an upper edge when the road goes up.

What does piss me off a bit is trying to compete in a league where you don't have a clue of how well you are doing because:
a) The results don't update.
b) The individual sessions are open too long allowing competitors to atempt the session time after time
c) Complete sessions out of phase.
The latter may be the reason why the League Table has trouble updating as how do you tabulate results when you are not quite sure what you are measuring.

 

[<Tommy>]

It would be interesting to hear Jacobs thoughts on it wouldn’t it? Doesn’t he organise the nations cup? I wonder if he has an opinion on Peps stats. Maybe Pep just get an equal amount of fairy dust to everyone else but it’s more noticeable because he’s out there at the front?

 

[berty bassett]

these problems were just the same last year !
i kept on trying to contact them about the wc not updating quick enough and the only response i got was that it updated every week ! clearly not true and it doesnt sound like they have sorted it out yet
when racing each other it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things as i guess if you have some help on one race then others will have a helping hand in a different race and it would balance out over time - we all know deep down who should win and who we should have a good battle with
i dont think there will be much improvement anytime soon but if we all have that attitude and they do sort things out then won't it be a nice surprise
it does seem a shame that they don't look at the graphs of the top few and compare - just to see if anything stood out

 

[AAAC 76C]

Well.
My SC4 ride is showing in the results now and I did get into 6th with an average of 472 watts so I will have to suck back on what I said about Pep's stats vs our National Hill Climb champion because I can't hold those watts in the 20 minutes FTP on 2% incline so me thinks BSim lies even more when you go over 6%.
That all said on my later point, even though my SC4 has registered on the Session I am now on page 6 in the GC at 258th because only my first 3 rides are counting.
Good to see Tommy Watt and @JacobSkovsgaard sat at 5th and 6th but Pep is No1 and he has 5 stages showing having ridden stage 5 on the 31st.
He is riding a Smart Air so perhaps he has got the one that was in the recent review, i.e. it's got nowt inside it.
I will have to get WC 5 done in good time so I may get a measure of where I am in the league, if I care that is with more important matters looming like getting our team sorted and ready for a jolly good thrashing again.
If we have a similar set of sessions again I would love to get a 5 man Chaingang going in the flatter session and similar in the Velodrome and have all 5 guys come across the line as a team. Either that or towing Tommy Watt and Jacob up to Pep's wheel so they take him in the sprint.

 

[bobinski]

It was just a passing observation!

I was merely interested to find out what sort of watts they pull in our National Hill Climbs and quickly found an article that was almost straight to the point.
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/r...wer-output-national-hill-climb-victory-356860
All be it those that compete in our Nationals may not always be World class riders but none the less they will be pretty good and probably better at short explosive climbs than a Triathlete.
I have no doubt that Pep has incredible endurance capabilities but matching someone in watts/kg over 20 minutes who, in the above article, near killed himself in the opening minute of the a 4 minute climb and then just hung on to take the win by 3 seconds.
Other than that I have not got a clue what sort of w/kg someone like Froome could pull out of the bag over 20 minutes having not already cycled 100km but then again that would not be his specialty either.
I think we need to accept that BSim lies about our efforts when couple to a non-power measuring trainer. That may need to change in the near future now they are moving to metered trainers unless they have simply launched their Air to compete on other platforms such as Zwift.
As for Pep using erg during the climb I see that only advantageous in that it should allow you too not have to change gear so often and perhaps get into a better rhythm.
Myself I prefer the odd change in conditions in order to get some micros rests.
I would also say that where you might gain from using erg you will also loose as you wont get any of the power and hence speed over-swings that you get running standard.
Other than that, as @TurboTommy eluded to, I don't really care much for his, Pep's, results in BKool and prefer to measure myself against the like of @JacobSkovsgaard and Tommy Watt both of who regularly beat me when it's all about power but I can get an upper edge when the road goes up.

What does piss me off a bit is trying to compete in a league where you don't have a clue of how well you are doing because:
a) The results don't update.
b) The individual sessions are open too long allowing competitors to atempt the session time after time
c) Complete sessions out of phase.
The latter may be the reason why the League Table has trouble updating as how do you tabulate results when you are not quite sure what you are measuring.

Ok, well if one of our top performing CC riders suggests let it lie then perhaps we should call back our North London Rottweiler, TT


AAAC just seen your other post- can you post Peps Air stats? Print screen? If he is still posting mega watts the either he is inhuman, that Air is as you say, empty, or the PM is bogus.

 

[AAAC 76C]

PS.
I have a further BKool observation.
MikMak (Michael Madsen) is the only person on BKool that is better looking than me.
I may be following him closely in future!

 

[AAAC 76C]

Ok, well if one of our top performing CC riders suggests let it lie then perhaps we should call back our North London Rottweiler, TT


AAAC just seen your other post- can you post Peps Air stats? Print screen? If he is still posting mega watts the either he is inhuman, that Air is as you say, empty, or the PM is bogus.

Had a look again.
He has been riding an Air but has use his Pro in the WC
I have found one ride on an Air but no HR so it's hard to judge.
There are some BKool like power over-swings in climb transitions but me thinks that is more the way BSim works rather than the trainer.

EDIT: The max elevation is 60m and min about 10 so these are no mountains that are being climbed here.