to be fair, with tight lycra tops on, I look 6 months gone so I think I could get away with it (although the beard may give me away!)
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Not good! Hope you're starting to get on the mend now. Just take it easy this week and save yourself for the Nations Cup trialsMorning all. Hope everyone had a good Christmas. Unfortunately I managed to get the norovirus on Christmas eve and spent the whole of it and Christmas day either on or in knelt in front of the can
Tried CG3 yesterday but was still too weak and had to give up after 10 mins (although it probably wasn't a good idea to try and hang with AAAAC and Bill). I'll hopefuly finally have the new bike tomorrow and I'll give CG3 and CG4 a go then.
It's been the first Chrimbo I've managed to lose rather than gain a few pounds though.....I'll be ready to tackle Alpe d'Huez.
bobinski
Legendary Member
- Location
- Tulse Hill
Bugno,
Strava link? What turbo?
Compared to bkool (which has the interest of videos and a multitude of courses of varying types) zwift can be quite dull. What keeps me going on zwift are the challenges - whether it's yours or the climbing to get the tron bike. Races are ok but I prefer bkool races. Clearly bkool has its well documented problems but, if they ever sort those out (before they go bust!) they could be a real challenge to Zwift. I use both still, I enjoy bkool more, but I want that tron bike before I give up zwift
Zwift is also less friendly. The FB page for racing is testament to that. They take it all far too seriously and some of those guys need to get some perspective. Certainly never see riders helping each other in Zwift like we do in Bkool!
Less friendly?!? AS friendly IF you mix with the right people. Go mix with the racers and you will get support and also lots of competition and some unfriendliness, just like most competitive fora. At A and B level and increasingly C there is a lot of frustration with sandbaggers, weight dopers and other performance enhancing users. Other than that I largely see a Hugely supportive community it’s just it’s much much bigger than on bkool. So it’s harder to find teams or groups to ride with that you may have something in common with especially when they will proportionally have more overseas riders. Also the very sise means it’s harder to mix and chat and p take after a race or ride. I missed that bkool element. That’s why I was drawn to Zsun where we have that during and after rides. On Zsun racing we have just had the annual awards for various silly things, we have another awards based on distance and altitude etc And amidst all that a lot of p taking and camaraderie. New target s have been set for everyone, support offered for future training rides. To say Zwift users don’t help or are unsupportive is just silly tosh and ignores the huge community that has built up just to do those very things. It’s good, much the same as here with you all supporting each other on your souped up unreliable bkool rides
Main thing is we are all having fun and staying or getting fitter.I have to say sometimes reading stuff on here sometimes is like reading the mutterings of pro Brexiters. There is a lack of perspective/ reality. I can understand if people don’t like Zwift- no one is obliged to- I can also understand if people get lost in it at first - I did too. But to say users are unsupportive and unfriendly as if a few too many idiots reflect the actuality is just plain silly
berty bassett
Legendary Member
- Location
- I'boro
and a partridge in a peartreeeeeeBugno,
Strava link? What turbo?
Less friendly?!? AS friendly IF you mix with the right people. Go mix with the racers and you will get support and also lots of competition and some unfriendliness, just like most competitive fora. At A and B level and increasingly C there is a lot of frustration with sandbaggers, weight dopers and other performance enhancing users. Other than that I largely see a Hugely supportive community it’s just it’s much much bigger than on bkool. So it’s harder to find teams or groups to ride with that you may have something in common with especially when they will proportionally have more overseas riders. Also the very sise means it’s harder to mix and chat and p take after a race or ride. I missed that bkool element. That’s why I was drawn to Zsun where we have that during and after rides. On Zsun racing we have just had the annual awards for various silly things, we have another awards based on distance and altitude etc And amidst all that a lot of p taking and camaraderie. New target s have been set for everyone, support offered for future training rides. To say Zwift users don’t help or are unsupportive is just silly tosh and ignores the huge community that has built up just to do those very things. It’s good, much the same as here with you all supporting each other on your souped up unreliable bkool rides
I have to say sometimes reading stuff on here sometimes is like reading the mutterings of pro Brexiters. There is a lack of perspective/ reality. I can understand if people don’t like Zwift- no one is obliged to- I can also understand if people get lost in it at first - I did too. But to say users are unsupportive and unfriendly as if a few too many idiots reflect the actuality is just plain silly
merry christmas everybody x more eggnog please 
I won't be there for the 7 PM race tonight, so I did the last stage on my own. Legs were sooo tired and only had about 8 minutes power left in them. From there on it was survival to the end. No gifts from Bkool either - just 19 watts, so you shouldn't have any problem beating my time tonight.
keithaitch
Veteran
- Location
- barcelona
I'll be there ,but it won't be me, first ride in two weeks!
theboxers
TheBoxers on Cycle Sim sw
- Location
- OTC (on the couch)
I'm off out for my 
meal 
and beer 
. Enjoy the suffering on the loooong drawn out climb 
, I've alreadydone my run on it.
meal and beer . Enjoy the suffering on the loooong drawn out climb , I've alreadydone my run on it.Main thing is we are all having fun and staying or getting fitter.
I have to say sometimes reading stuff on here sometimes is like reading the mutterings of pro Brexiters. There is a lack of perspective/ reality. I can understand if people don’t like Zwift- no one is obliged to- I can also understand if people get lost in it at first - I did too. But to say users are unsupportive and unfriendly as if a few too many idiots reflect the actuality is just plain silly
with you all supporting each other on your souped up unreliable bkool rides
Do you not see the irony of the lines I have highlighted above Bob? One of the reasons you left Bkool was because of 'unfair' advantages as you saw it of the Pro vs other trainers even though we always just ride for the fun and staying fitter ... but you didn't like the fact you couldn't beat lesser mortals whom you consider yourself to be better than. You've even complained about me using the Pro on Zwift (there are pages and pages of that), where I said it's about getting fit and having fun and you argue it's about accurate numbers. You've even suggested my rides shouldn't count in the challenges .... not very supportive, lacks perspective, and not really fulfilling the fun aspect!
That leads on to the lack of perspective - even with the complaints and failings that Zwift users constantly rave about on various social media platforms, you're such a die-hard that you do tend to lose perspective of Zwift and all you seem to be able to do is attack Bkool and in particular the users of the Pro - you even had to have a dig in your post above about the Pros, even though this wasn't even part of my comments. You really are obsessed with our trainers and you probably need to take a deep breath and just get over the fact that some of use choose to use these trainers because, it lets us have fun, and enables us to stay or get fitter.
I stand by my comment that the Bkool community, at least everyone I've come across on here, are generally more friendly than on Zwift. The Bkool community like to race but we seem less serious about it and less hung up by 'sandbaggers'.
You may have a different experience with the Zsun group, and I'm pleased for you, but the Zwift Racers FB page I read is not overly friendly. There are many conversations on there about actively stopping people from racing, this is something we would never do on Bkool.
I won't be on the CG tonight, legs too tired following 82 km of riding this morningI'll try to make the re-run on Saturday
Chain Gang Stage 4 tonight at 7pm
Blue sky and sunshine guaranteed
bobinski
Legendary Member
- Location
- Tulse Hill
Carl
Wow. Getting personal .
I left bkool because it became a less attractive platform for me compared to Zwift even before I moved onto the NEO. That will be clear from my Strava history. In fact I am still trying to beat some of this old pro times! The NEO sealed it for me given the advantages bsim offers bkool users even though it made it harder for me in Zwift to achieve the Watts I was used to. I wasn’t going to pay for 2 platforms, one of which was less reliable and less accurate, except to a closed community.
As for my need to beat lesser mortals (
) ... firstly I don’t think I have ever won a race in bkool so that would make me one of the lesser mortals. I am well aware of my limitations, in fact even more so now on the NEO in Zwift. Don’t mistake goading for arrogance. I ride all the time with zsun and am reminded how slow I am compared to most of them there too. The racing I have done only reinforces my sense of where I am in the food chain. Secondly, I don’t think I have complained about you using your pro in Zwift as such but your reluctance to accept the weight of evidence supporting the variable and often extremely flattering performance of the pro in Zwift. You have reluctantly come to accept it.
Thirdly I do not I think I said your rides shouldnt count in Zwift. I am not the only one who noted the pixie dust bkool dropped on some rides. Indeed I have benefited from it in the past. All I/we asked is that you recognised when your pro might be skewing your times and reset the trainer. That’s not unreasonable.
As for Zwift, I do find it more attractive, more reliable. I like the ECO system around it, the support for racing, woman’s racing, and training and fund raising for worthy causes etc. I like the fact it has an open, wide ranging community, one that caters for so many different groups. That doesn’t make me an evangelist, blind to its weaknesses. I just prefer it to what else is currently on offer.
If something else comes along that is more attractive for my needs I would likely leave Zwift.
I do agree that the group here, whilst liking to race, are friendly and helpful. It’s a great group. It’s also a very very small group. No doubt I am the awkward or difficult one. Elsewhere in bkool land though things are a bit more competitive, as you know.
Still, I stand by my comment that you were silly to suggest Zwift users are unhelpful as if the monopoly on helpfulness resided here on this bkool users forum. There are hundreds of people offering helpful advice every day on the various FB zwift pages. The things you complain of on Zwift racers, people not being allowed to race is not quite accurate is it. The new rules at zwiftpower, the need for hrm, tracking weight etc to remove sandbagging, comparison with real life rides for power comparison are not unreasonable. Nor do they apply to all races. In fact, I think you can even race in those races the new rules apply too and your position will show on the Zwift outcome just not in zwiftpower . Of course if you are fussed about your position that won’t matter. Would a similar development happen on bkool if it came to rival Zwift? I wonder. Bit of a fuss recently when Elite trainers got to have an advantage? Also, the Danes take their racing pretty seriously. I am not sure you can speak for all bkoolers about what may happen in future just perhaps cyclechat racers.
Carl, I am not a die hard anything. There’s no Bruce Willis in me. Zwift works for me given my limited needs in a way bsim cannot, at least until they sort out the power readings. But they never will. I am surprised you bother with Zwift given you don’t seem to find it that enjoyable, friendly or inclusive an experience. But if I see you there I will give you a ride on.
Wow. Getting personal .
I left bkool because it became a less attractive platform for me compared to Zwift even before I moved onto the NEO. That will be clear from my Strava history. In fact I am still trying to beat some of this old pro times! The NEO sealed it for me given the advantages bsim offers bkool users even though it made it harder for me in Zwift to achieve the Watts I was used to. I wasn’t going to pay for 2 platforms, one of which was less reliable and less accurate, except to a closed community.
As for my need to beat lesser mortals (
) ... firstly I don’t think I have ever won a race in bkool so that would make me one of the lesser mortals. I am well aware of my limitations, in fact even more so now on the NEO in Zwift. Don’t mistake goading for arrogance. I ride all the time with zsun and am reminded how slow I am compared to most of them there too. The racing I have done only reinforces my sense of where I am in the food chain. Secondly, I don’t think I have complained about you using your pro in Zwift as such but your reluctance to accept the weight of evidence supporting the variable and often extremely flattering performance of the pro in Zwift. You have reluctantly come to accept it. Thirdly I do not I think I said your rides shouldnt count in Zwift. I am not the only one who noted the pixie dust bkool dropped on some rides. Indeed I have benefited from it in the past. All I/we asked is that you recognised when your pro might be skewing your times and reset the trainer. That’s not unreasonable.
As for Zwift, I do find it more attractive, more reliable. I like the ECO system around it, the support for racing, woman’s racing, and training and fund raising for worthy causes etc. I like the fact it has an open, wide ranging community, one that caters for so many different groups. That doesn’t make me an evangelist, blind to its weaknesses. I just prefer it to what else is currently on offer.
If something else comes along that is more attractive for my needs I would likely leave Zwift.
I do agree that the group here, whilst liking to race, are friendly and helpful. It’s a great group. It’s also a very very small group. No doubt I am the awkward or difficult one. Elsewhere in bkool land though things are a bit more competitive, as you know.
Still, I stand by my comment that you were silly to suggest Zwift users are unhelpful as if the monopoly on helpfulness resided here on this bkool users forum. There are hundreds of people offering helpful advice every day on the various FB zwift pages. The things you complain of on Zwift racers, people not being allowed to race is not quite accurate is it. The new rules at zwiftpower, the need for hrm, tracking weight etc to remove sandbagging, comparison with real life rides for power comparison are not unreasonable. Nor do they apply to all races. In fact, I think you can even race in those races the new rules apply too and your position will show on the Zwift outcome just not in zwiftpower . Of course if you are fussed about your position that won’t matter. Would a similar development happen on bkool if it came to rival Zwift? I wonder. Bit of a fuss recently when Elite trainers got to have an advantage? Also, the Danes take their racing pretty seriously. I am not sure you can speak for all bkoolers about what may happen in future just perhaps cyclechat racers.
Carl, I am not a die hard anything. There’s no Bruce Willis in me. Zwift works for me given my limited needs in a way bsim cannot, at least until they sort out the power readings. But they never will. I am surprised you bother with Zwift given you don’t seem to find it that enjoyable, friendly or inclusive an experience. But if I see you there I will give you a ride on.
Aleman
Knees are FUBAR but I don't like to mention it
- Location
- Blackpool UK
First time for me on the bike since CG3, assuming I can get my leg over ... It'll be a bimble, with 60mg of codine in the system I'm to spaced out to concentrate
Chain Gang Stage 4 tonight at 7pm
Bob - I didn't say Zwift users were unhelpful, I said, and I quote "Zwift is also less friendly" and I stand by that. I could quote for hours the unfriendly comments I've seen on FB aimed at other fellow Zwift riders, but this is rarely seen on Bkool rides. There have even been threads where there has been talk of people having thrown insults at people whilst in-ride FFS!
As for being personal, you quoting me then mentioning souped up Pro trainers was personal and you knew this would get my back up. Maybe if you hadn't had a dig at Pro users, again, I may not have reacted. When you stop having a dig at Pro users I'll stop responding - unfortunately I see this as a form of bullying as you must know that not everyone can afford to spend extra money on other trainers or power meters so we use what we have. Stop having a go at Pro users as not everyone can afford a Neo, power meters and all the extra expensive gubbins. Some of us just want to ride and get fitter and have a bit of a laugh along the way.
