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vickster
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But it looks vile when wide and black
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Stronger wheels...but lightish (if possible)
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w00hoo_kent
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Yeah, just syntax. The depth of the rim from the tyres to the spokes is what I've read it as in this context. Nothing to do with the angles of the spokes from rim to hub.
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Yeah that's why I was asking, the dish is the tuning of the hub relative to the rims isn't it?
I don't know what the technical term is for what you're describing? Deep-section rims, or fairings?
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the Velocity deep V rims are 30mm deep or so, The OP is looking for shallow rims like the Open Pro or Ambrosio excelight.
I will try to address a number of points raised on this thread.... I would probably forget most of the ones I wanted to address anyway.
24f and 28r seem not enough spokes for me either. even with Archetype.
32 for front is OK but I think 28 would be enough. Front wheels don't need to be as strong as rear wheels.
Ultegra are great hubs but they cost about £90, too expensive for some people. also, they only come in 32 and 36 drillings.
In a few years time I think most of the wheels will be 23mm wide.... that's the trend anyway.
Not only some wheel builders aren't keen on hope hubs. great hubs but too noisy for some people. I appreciate Mik's point about alerting people though. Cost can be another factor why wheel builders don't mention them.
Spokes on a low spoke count factory wheel for sure will have thicker spokes.... so there's no comparison with the spokes we can get off the shelf. So a 32 spokes hand built wheel can still be lighter than a 16 spokes factory wheel with big fat spokes.... it all depends what wheels we are talking about.
I will try to address a number of points raised on this thread.... I would probably forget most of the ones I wanted to address anyway.
24f and 28r seem not enough spokes for me either. even with Archetype.
32 for front is OK but I think 28 would be enough. Front wheels don't need to be as strong as rear wheels.
Ultegra are great hubs but they cost about £90, too expensive for some people. also, they only come in 32 and 36 drillings.
In a few years time I think most of the wheels will be 23mm wide.... that's the trend anyway.
Not only some wheel builders aren't keen on hope hubs. great hubs but too noisy for some people. I appreciate Mik's point about alerting people though. Cost can be another factor why wheel builders don't mention them.
Spokes on a low spoke count factory wheel for sure will have thicker spokes.... so there's no comparison with the spokes we can get off the shelf. So a 32 spokes hand built wheel can still be lighter than a 16 spokes factory wheel with big fat spokes.... it all depends what wheels we are talking about.
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This caught my eye and i would agree with it; I'd want more spokes than that for a heavily laden, urban wheel. Save the low-spoke jobs for a Sunday bike.
FWIW, my GF has Fulcrum 5s on her "best" bike and they've been bomb-proof although she's a little lighter than you Vickster and her bike doesn't have a rack.
For a tough wheel, I'd be looking at 32/36 or, at a pinch, 28/32. More spokes on the rear makes sense since the rear wheel carries more weight, especially when the rack is loaded. As a bonus, more spokes could mean riding home rather than getting a taxi/train/lift if a spoke does break. You've more chance of true-ing the wheel to keep the bike ride-able.
Paul Hewitt (mentioned up-thread) has built several of my wheels and they've been great albeit he's some way from Sutton.
I can't really advise on hubs and rims since all my bikes have disc brakes and most of the rims are disc specific (ie no braking track). I do, however, have a pair of wheels with Mavic CXP33 rims and they look pretty good and Paul recommended them because the deep(ish) rim section also makes them very strong.
I reckon the most important contributor to strength is the build quality followed, probably, by number and type of spokes.
Another advantage of hand-built wheels is that you can probably re-use the hubs when the rims are worn out.
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Why not a higher spoke count handbuilt just on the rear if your fronts are still performing fine? Obviously that assumes you have no problem mixing and matching 
How deep is too deep???Yeah, am doing so. Don't like the rims suggested way too deep section for me. Yeuch
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