Stronger wheels...but lightish (if possible)

[vickster]

I just saw this thread. Not sure why I didn't see the alert of you tagging me.

PM me the details if you like.

Maybe I c*cked up the tagging

I'll PM you what I sent to DCR

 

[Cyclist33]

Apparently so without rim tape and skewers, but any wheels will need those

There'll be a pair of quieter black hubbed 2014s for sale quite soon...the white hubbed 2013s are noisy clickety buggers

Off the peg ones usually tend to be quoted for with rim tape but without skewers.

 

[john59]

Also have a look at, 'Spa Cycles.'

 

[vickster]

Off the peg ones usually tend to be quoted for with rim tape but without skewers.

I dk what they weigh in reality, not been weighed

 

[vickster]

Also have a look at, 'Spa Cycles.'

Thanks, they have an Ultegra or Ambrosio Zenith (?) hub version around the right budget. Might have to call them at some point

 

[w00hoo_kent]

I've heard a lot of good stuff about Ultegra hubs and I believe they are quite quiet. There are a few brands that are all basically Novatec and I think Zenith might be one of them but I could be wrong. If you care about the noise of the freehub when you are free wheeling, then it's worth considering when you buy a hub as some have a reputation for being very quiet and others for being quite noisy. The Novatec on my DCR wheels is relatively quiet (although I think has got louder through use) and DCR said they deliberately went towards Novatec because they were a quieter hub (wheel builders seem to be seriously attracted to quieter hubs) I didn't have to fight for the Hope hub to go in to my others, but it was far from suggested as it is very clicky, however I'd hoped that would be a feature as it makes the bike louder to pedestrians on shared paths and that has proved the case. If I freewheel up behind the three or four people I might come across on the shared paths I have to use for my commute, they invariably hear me and slide out of the way (which I repay with a 'thank you') where as with a quieter hub I could get right on their heels and then have to call out (or would have rung a bell if I used one). The 'tick tick tick' seems to be less antagonistic, although it's pretty much always the same people so we do kind of know each other now.

The hub needs to be the right size for your axle gap, to be able to match your brakes (only really an issue if you are using disks I guess) have the same spoke count as your rims (obvious, but I came close to getting it wrong when I'd been searching for a while) and for the rear hub, cope with your cassette make.

Rim wise, I just went for H Plus Sons Archetypes. As I mentioned, they are a bit dished (not aero dished) although they do do a range of rims so you can choose something a little less radical. These seemed a good choice, although there are some wheel builders who seem to be less than pleased with them for some reason. Wheel builders seem a bit notorious for refusing to use certain kit in their builds (Hope for instance) and I'm not sure it's always for truly objective reasons. I don't know what other rim options there are, some can get very expensive very quickly.

 

[vickster]

I really don't like the dished (even slightly dished) look, black is bearable but I generally prefer silver as possible rims

 

[w00hoo_kent]

The polished silver Archetypes are very pretty, but there is a 25m dish, the TB14's, also from H Plus Sons, are the same price (at Wiggle) but only 14mm in depth and designed to look like old school rims. They might be more your thing. I'm presuming DCR has suggested something else as neither go down to a 24 hole pattern though. They are both 23mm wide which will work fine with your tyre choice. I'm currently running 28mm Marathon Plus on my Archetypes with no problems. I really need to put the Duranos on while it's still considering being summer.

 

[vickster]

DCR suggested...Velocity Deep V or the Kinlin XC279 or XR-270 ...whatever those might be (I don't like the sound of the word deep in the first ones)!

 

[Cyclist33]

I really don't like the dished (even slightly dished) look, black is bearable but I generally prefer silver as possible rims

"Dished look" - what is it?

 

[e-rider]

I currently have 2014 Fulcrum 5s on my Genesis but for the third time in as many rides the rear has gone out of true (seems to be one or two pesky spokes getting loose), so it looks like it might be time for a change (not a performance upgrade, a change ). I am not the lightest (currently around 91kg) and the bike wears a fixed rack and rack bag. It gets ridden on crappy SW London roads mainly. I have 2013 Fulcrum 5s on the carbon but no issue with those wheels (yet)

Pearsons who have kindly rejigged the wheel twice (and will need to do it again) suggested I need stronger wheels with more spokes for what is essentially my 'touring' bike (I added that I am not the lightest either)

I'm assuming hand builts are the way to go, I use 25mm tyres, and a SRAM cassette. None of that deep dish nastiness of course! A nice gunmetal rim and spokes would match the bike beautifully Fulcrums are 1645g

Suggestions, I guess I don't really want to spend more than £250 - is that realistic?

Maybe @Spoked Wheels can assist?

I had Fulcrum wheels that went out of true after every single ride from day 1 - complete crap they were
I now have Mavic CXP33 rims on Hope hubs and DT swiss spokes - no troubles now

 

[vickster]

I had Fulcrum wheels that went out of true after every single ride from day 1 - complete crap they were
I now have Mavic CXP33 rims on Hope hubs and DT swiss spokes - no troubles now

Hmm, I have 2 sets (indeed 3 if you count the Campag Khamsin). I did manage 1000+ miles on these before the issue started, and the other pair are fine
But it does look like these aren't now coping well with me, the rack and the luggage

 

[e-rider]

I really don't like the dished (even slightly dished) look, black is bearable but I generally prefer silver as possible rims

this must be a typo or misunderstanding - the dish of the wheel is not optional, it is necessary to make the wheel fit within the seat and chain stays

 

[vickster]

"Dished look" - what is it?

An ugly (IMO) big fat black band around the wheels, aero dished being really Fugly...

 

[w00hoo_kent]

DCR suggested...Velocity Deep V or the Kinlin XC279 or XR-270 ...whatever those might be (I don't like the sound of the word deep in the first ones)!

Sounds ripe for a google image search. I think you're right to suspect a Velocity Deep V will be quite 'aero' though. :-)