Star Wars (possible spoilers)

[Stephenite]

Interesting timeline if it is. How old is Rey portrayed as? Luke disappears for 30 years + a little romancing and a pregnancy along the way, and the plot doesn't really make me think he would have been romantically inclined if he disappeared for that long and ended up living on a rock. But it doesn't have to make sense - it's SW!

It was Princess Leia who had her dropped off, then?! She has to be related to someone, I can smell it.

 

[Piemaster]

It was Princess Leia who had her dropped off, then?! She has to be related to someone, I can smell it.

Chewbacca. Definitely.

 

[TVC]

I'd hide that one even with the spoiler title.

Sorry, did I ruin it for you .

 

[Rickshaw Phil]

Sorry, did I ruin it for you .

Put into a spolier box just in case.

 

[Inertia]

It was Princess Leia who had her dropped off, then?! She has to be related to someone, I can smell it.

maybe it was Kylo, he killed everyone else but couldnt killed her, his one failure he cant tell his boss about. So he wipes her memory with his mind force skills and dumps her on some dustball and tells her to stay there.

 

[captain nemo1701]

I’d like to have sat in on the script meeting for the SW writers:
WRITER 1
Let’s have an even bigger Death star type of planet killing weapon, with no apparent means of propulsion, suck all the matter off a star many thousands of times its size and fire an energy beam across space to hit their enemy who are, conveniently, located nearby and have casually not noticed the construction of the weapon.
WRITER 2
Isn’t that implausible, even in a fictional context?. I mean, how does this thing store the energy?. That’s a bit like sucking the Pacific Ocean through a straw into your bathtub. Surely it would take centuries to do it.
WRITER 1
No, we’ll do it in a few hours. Besides, who cares about science and plausibility, as long as it looks cool!.
WRITER 2
Why would the villains build another Death Star – like weapon when the Empire had two others blown up?. Doesn’t seem to be a good tactical move.
WRITER 1
Who cares?. The CGI boys will make it look cool!.

Plot holes and logical inconsistencies are just a sign of lazy writing, generally at a schoolboy level. SW seems to be a victim of this. As long as it all looks cool, with space battles who cares?. Cool is of course, the triumph of style over content. I saw the original back in 1978 and it was fun. It certainly knocks the spots of its rather disjointed and bloated rehash. SW fans hackles have been raised by the publication of up to 60 plot screw-ups in SW TFA in the Huffington Post. Google SW TFA Plot holes to be amused. Some of them are good, others just niggly. But nobody can deny the huge amount of plot recycling going on. I think they should have just bitten the bullet and remade the original with a new cast.
And before anyone moans at me say I’m biased since I like Star Trek, it also produces some howlers. I feel like the small boy in the Emperor’s New Clothes story.
BTW, my money is also on Rey meeting Dad at the end of the movie.

 

[swee'pea99]

Probably went the same way as Ghandi, did one film never saw him again.

I take it you never saw... ("He's back! And this time he's mad!"):

I enjoyed the SW, BTW. Nothing to get too excited about, but for what it was it was well done.

 

[MontyVeda]

I’d like to have sat in on the script meeting for the SW writers:
WRITER 1
Let’s have an even bigger Death star type of planet killing weapon, with no apparent means of propulsion, suck all the matter off a star many thousands of times its size and fire an energy beam across space to hit their enemy who are, conveniently, located nearby and have casually not noticed the construction of the weapon.
WRITER 2
Isn’t that implausible, even in a fictional context?. I mean, how does this thing store the energy?. That’s a bit like sucking the Pacific Ocean through a straw into your bathtub. Surely it would take centuries to do it.
WRITER 1
No, we’ll do it in a few hours. Besides, who cares about science and plausibility, as long as it looks cool!.
WRITER 2
Why would the villains build another Death Star – like weapon when the Empire had two others blown up?. Doesn’t seem to be a good tactical move.
WRITER 1
Who cares?. The CGI boys will make it look cool!.

Plot holes and logical inconsistencies are just a sign of lazy writing, generally at a schoolboy level. SW seems to be a victim of this. As long as it all looks cool, with space battles who cares?. Cool is of course, the triumph of style over content. I saw the original back in 1978 and it was fun. It certainly knocks the spots of its rather disjointed and bloated rehash. SW fans hackles have been raised by the publication of up to 60 plot screw-ups in SW TFA in the Huffington Post. Google SW TFA Plot holes to be amused. Some of them are good, others just niggly. But nobody can deny the huge amount of plot recycling going on. I think they should have just bitten the bullet and remade the original with a new cast.
And before anyone moans at me say I’m biased since I like Star Trek, it also produces some howlers. I feel like the small boy in the Emperor’s New Clothes story.
BTW, my money is also on Rey meeting Dad at the end of the movie.

most films/stories have plot holes... googling them is neither big nor clever.

 

[Inertia]

And before anyone moans at me say I’m biased since I like Star Trek, it also produces some howlers. I feel like the small boy in the Emperor’s New Clothes story.
BTW, my money is also on Rey meeting Dad at the end of the movie.

You do seem rather bothered by the fact people like the Star Wars movies...

As a Star Trek fan you already acknowledged Into Darkness recycled Wrath of Khan but give it a pass as its an alternate timeline. What does that matter? Its still a rehash

 

[captain nemo1701]

You do seem rather bothered by the fact people like the Star Wars movies...

As a Star Trek fan you already acknowledged Into Darkness recycled Wrath of Khan but give it a pass as its an alternate timeline. What does that matter? Its still a rehash

No, not really. what bothers me is that Hollywood can spend vast sums of money fleecing audiences with poorly written stuff which is hyped up beyond belief by the marketing machine. Judging from some of the comments that Lucas himself made over the Xmas break, I'm not alone. However, it probably wasn't a good idea to sell it to Disney anyway if he feels that way about it.

Yes, Into Darkness was a reworked Wrath of Khan. In the fictional context of an alternate timeline, it's acceptable and it didn't hide the fact it was intended to be a rehash.

 

[Inertia]

Well I wouldnt take what George says too seriously, he still thinks Han shot first , I can put his comments down to being upset that people have enjoyed TFA far more than his prequels. I think he also lost it when he equated selling star wars to disney as like selling his kids to White Slavers.

Re Into Darkness, Its explained away by its context but they still rehashed a previous film! You find that acceptable, others may think Hollywood is fleecing audiences with a remake of Wrath Of Khan and explaining it away with alternative timeline bunkum. They could have done so many new things but they rehashed not just any film, but THE classic. It alos has its fair share of plot holes.

Maybe we can agree to disagree and can agree we both hope Star Trek Beyond and the new series are good.

 

[User482]

No, not really. what bothers me is that Hollywood can spend vast sums of money fleecing audiences with poorly written stuff which is hyped up beyond belief by the marketing machine. Judging from some of the comments that Lucas himself made over the Xmas break, I'm not alone. However, it probably wasn't a good idea to sell it to Disney anyway if he feels that way about it.

Yes, Into Darkness was a reworked Wrath of Khan. In the fictional context of an alternate timeline, it's acceptable and it didn't hide the fact it was intended to be a rehash.

If it's all the same to you, I'll stick with it being a hugely enjoyable load of old nonsense, just like the original trilogy.

 

[MontyVeda]

If it's all the same to you, I'll stick with it being a hugely enjoyable load of old nonsense, just like the original trilogy.

well put Sir.

some people seem to take the movies so seriously... it's no wonder they can't sit back and simply enjoy them for what they are

 

[AndyRM]

No, not really. what bothers me is that Hollywood can spend vast sums of money fleecing audiences with poorly written stuff which is hyped up beyond belief by the marketing machine. Judging from some of the comments that Lucas himself made over the Xmas break, I'm not alone. However, it probably wasn't a good idea to sell it to Disney anyway if he feels that way about it.

Yes, Into Darkness was a reworked Wrath of Khan. In the fictional context of an alternate timeline, it's acceptable and it didn't hide the fact it was intended to be a rehash.

Lucas' criticism of The Force Awakens is ridiculous. It's a cracking film. He made a total bollocks of Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith so slagging it off just comes across as sour grapes from someone who's lost his creative genius.

I've said it before, but again - comments about it being the same as Star Wars are daft: the three trilogies are the same story using different generations of characters. This isn't a secret so I've no idea why folk are surprised or criticise it.

 

[captain nemo1701]

Yes, it's supposed to be a complete story arc - Lucas mentioned 9 movies back in '77. Problem with SW now is that its trapped in between regenerating an old story for a modern audience while playing the nostalgia card to its core of fans who, like me, recall the originals. Probably would have made a better movie if either they just remade the originals or set it 100 years after Luke & co are pushing up daisies.

Think of it this way: You're reading a novel and get to chapter 7 in which the author decides to rewrite chapter 4.

I have shocked people recently who know my love of science fiction when I said SWTFA was pants. Some folk expect you to go along with the herd and agree it was brilliant. Err..no really. It was fun, but I know when I'm being fed reheated leftovers from previous plots.