Stand lights at railway stations (Dynamo and eBikes)

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Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
Location
Inside my skull
Not for all dynamo lights. See my post above.

Even better for the train station
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
I've got a dynamo wheel and a B&M thingy in the garage. It had a mind of its own. I could never be sure if the rear was on or not, so I stuck a couple of Cateye omnis on the bike as well to be sure. I'm not sure if I ever took it on a platform. It would probably have burst into life just to spite me.
 

Gwylan

Veteran
Location
All at sea⛵
Who knows? I suspect they only test it does at least 4 minutes, not how long it'll work.

Sorry, the use of "work" here is confusing.
The device may "work" for many ( more than 10) operations.
This is totally irrelevant.

What is relevant to the uninformed discussion here is the duration of illumination when the bike ceases to move.

This is where the conflict point emerges.

At the traffic lights it is in the cyclists best interest for the light to remain illuminated.

At the railway station, simply to observe the prevailing regulation, it is in everyone's interest that the light does not have any visible remanence.

In summary it's the law observe it. Don't come bleating here if you ignore the law and, worst case, get kicked off the train.
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
At the railway station, simply to observe the prevailing regulation, it is in everyone's interest that the light does not have any visible remanence. . . .

. . . it's the law: observe it.
You're a knowledgeable expert. Please help us find the "regulation" or "law" (that you invite people to "simply observe").
A sentence buried in TOCs' 'Take your cycle by train' is a way of communicating this prohibition but regulation it is not.
Ftaod: It's clear that random red lights on a railway platform with clear potential to confuse drivers and create an unsafe situation is a hazard best eliminated.
 

Alex321

Guru
Location
South Wales
Sorry, the use of "work" here is confusing.
No it isn't.
The device may "work" for many ( more than 10) operations.
This is totally irrelevant.

What is relevant to the uninformed discussion here is the duration of illumination when the bike ceases to move.
And is absolutely clear from context is what was meant here by te word "work".

This is where the conflict point emerges.

At the traffic lights it is in the cyclists best interest for the light to remain illuminated.

At the railway station, simply to observe the prevailing regulation, it is in everyone's interest that the light does not have any visible remanence.

Nobody has yet managed to find those actual regulations.

In summary it's the law observe it. Don't come bleating here if you ignore the law and, worst case, get kicked off the train.

Nobody is coming "bleating here".

People are just trying to find out what the actual rules are - and I think everybody is agreed that (regardless of regulations), it is best to not be showing a red light where the train driver is likely to see it and possibly be confused with red signal lights.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Ftaod: It's clear that random red lights on a railway platform with clear potential to confuse drivers and create an unsafe situation is a hazard best eliminated.

So why the endless searching for laws or regulations (which you know probably do not exist).

1) it's clear that it's a hazard best eliminated (see above)
2) This is confirmed by some of the TOCs so it's not an urban myth. Not all TOCs it's true, but I found four instances.
3) At least some station staff are aware and will inform or remind cyclists if they are unaware or forget. I know this from first hand experience and at least two CCers have posted to that effect.

Is that not enough to establish the facts of the matter? Do we really need it to be explicitly validated by some minor law or other?

Could it be more widely communicated? Sure it could. But it isn't so we have to live with that. People can be forgiven for not complying with the law regulation practice if they don't know about it. And once they do know about it they should change their behaviour.

AS we are all sensible people on Cyclechat, and we've all heard about it, we will all take steps to extinguish lights on platforms.

Everybody's happy.
 
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(I just love this fantasy world where everyone is polite to cyclists when they're perceived to create an inconvenience to non-cyclists. Like a policeman asking the Chief Constable to move his Bentley off a double-yellow. ) Sorry. Got a bit ranty. Need to get outside ...
 
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