SPLIT FROM Incident & Outcome

[classic33]

I'm hoping there won't be a next time. As I suspect are the police. They know now I'll not accept the first answer they give me as the only answer.

 

[glenn forger]

I'm very sorry Classic33... I do not know how to put this...

You are beginning to sound slightly troubled in the Marbles-Loss Department. There is an excellent Damon Runyon quote which goes something like this: "If that is not a daffy guy, then he will make a very good pinch hitter until a daffy guy comes along". It comes to mind when I read this thread.

I realise that that's a pretty rich comment coming from me, but I feel it is merited. It may take one to recognise one.

What colour is the pepper pot that talks to you when you're trying to sleep? If it's blue, you may have a problem.

(As an aside, reading your letter in a comedy Clint Eastwood drawl or full-on terminator Austrian English adds to the humour. It almost reaches Steward Lee stand-up levels.)

I hope I have helped but fear it may be altogether too late.

The audience inside was getting impatient and the women asked Our Old Man if he would mind stepping in and making a few remarks to fill in until the more distinguished citizen arrived. Our Old Man said, not at all, and he went in and took the rostrum, explaining to the audience that he was just a pinch hitter and would stop as soon as the star got there.

http://www.fadedpage.com/books/20121228/20121228.html

The quote is about someone stepping up to the plate and completing their duties, exactly the opposite of what you claimed. All you've added to this thread is crappy remarks about people being mentally ill and snide, cowardly insinuations. A poster here was hit by an uninsured driver and the police colluded in making a complete dog's breakfast of the inquiry. If you have nothing useful to add go and tell your children again how you don't care if their faces get scraped off, you are as much a failure as a father as you are as a poster here.

 

[RedRider]

Norman Bettison, West Yorks Police chief constable 2007-12 . Nothing would surprise on that one's watch.

 

[Shaun]

Let's not get into personal disagreements please ... stick to the thread topic and let @classic33 report any responses he's not happy with.

Thanks,
Shaun

 

[classic33]

Let's not get into personal disagreements please ... stick to the thread topic and let @classic33 report any responses he's not happy with.

Thanks,
Shaun

Thanks for the reminder, but if a persons post is removed simply because I don't like it, it will only make that person try harder.
I've posted on a couple of threads where this was linked in purely so people can see that not all forces treat collisions between cyclists & other road users as they would if two motor vehicles were involved. Also because of the way the incident was treated, in my case, as an example of the importance of getting everything down on paper & keeping it in order.
Often its the stupid bits forgot about early on that can be turned back on you at a later date, as I found out.

 

[classic33]

I confess I have never heard of a motorist failing a roadside breathalyser and not being arrested on the spot. I cannot even imagine the conversation between the officer administering the test and the driver. One hates to say this to a cyclist, but it's not just a teensy bit imagined, is it? If not, I apologise for the slur.

Apology accepted.

 

[Boris Bajic]

http://www.fadedpage.com/books/20121228/20121228.html

The quote is about someone stepping up to the plate and completing their duties, exactly the opposite of what you claimed. All you've added to this thread is crappy remarks about people being mentally ill and snide, cowardly insinuations. A poster here was hit by an uninsured driver and the police colluded in making a complete dog's breakfast of the inquiry. If you have nothing useful to add go and tell your children again how you don't care if their faces get scraped off, you are as much a failure as a father as you are as a poster here.

Dear Sir Forger, you are very clever at the Internets and you deserve a House point, but the quote you offer is not the one to which I was referring.

I had (as I suspected and as I suggested) misquoted slightly. The true quote is as follows, not far from my guess but a million miles from your slightly unusual offering:

"Personally, I always claim Cecil Earl is a little screwy, or if he is not screwy that he will do very well as a pinch-hitter until a screwy guy comes up to bat."

It comes from a Runyon story called 'Broadway Complex'. You may not be familiar with the work of Damon Runyon. He'd been a sports writer earlier in his career, so his work is full of sporting references. A pinch hitter is a stand-in chap in a baseball team (who steps up to the plate - another baseball expression). It's an image that would have been familiar to Runyon and his readers. It may not be so clear to you. He used the imagery often.

It is my view (based entirely on posts in this thread) that Classic33's story is at best embellished. My not-very-funny posts are attempting to show this. My broader observation is that a miscarriage as thorough and criminal as this would not have ended as it seems to have done and would not now be shrugged off and let go by a genuine victim who appears to have all the relevant files. I believe it is hokum and hogwash. I find that both funny and slightly sad.

I'm not sure how my children come into this. They (and their as-yet unscraped faces) seem to occupy your thoughts more than may be healthy. I'll give them your love.

Do dig out some Runyon and have a flick through it one day. Few comic writers better portray the urban realities of America in the Great Depression. His writings from his deathbed are also noteworthy.

It is my ardent hope that this has been helpful.

 

[glenn forger]

Got myself & the bike sorted out. To me it became a clear case of what the police feel about cyclists. Second class.
My MP would have cyclists off the road tomorrow if she could. Until the next election.
I never went to the press, because I placed too much trust in the police to do their job. They did a grand job there.

The CTC have a long list of cyclists who have been utterly failed by the police. The prejudice among the population against cyclists is widespread among the old bill:

http://road.cc/content/news/87423-c...t-devon-and-cornwall-police-attitude-cyclists

http://www.roadjustice.org.uk/sites...CTC Road Justice - the role of the police.pdf

Aiden Forster,Bradford,WestYorkshire,
July 2012
Enthusiastic cyclistAiden was cycling up a hill when he was hit
from behind by a 4x4 driver.Aiden suffered multiple vertebral
fractures as a result of the collision.He wasin hospital for 5
days and off work for 4 months.He could notsit down for
months,which made any form of travel very difficult.Due to
hisinjuries he has not been able to take care of histwo young
children since the incident.
The attending police officerimplicitly blamedAiden forthe
incidentstating:“you cycliststake yourlivesinto your own
hands”.Despite a number of vehicles present at the scene,the
police did not take any witnessstatements.The police accepted the driver’s explanation that he had
been‘dazzled by sunlight’ and therefore hadn’tseenAiden on the hill,but the police did not analyse
the sun’s position in the sky at the time of the collision to verify this claim or comment that the driver
should have adjusted theirspeed if they could notsee the road ahead of them.

There are lots more in the second link.

 

[Boris Bajic]

Boris. You know that bit you like to put at the end of posts "I hope I have helped but I fear I haven't"? You aren't.

I'm touched that you think this a serious comment.

 

[Shaun]

Back on topic please ...

 

[Boris Bajic]

I'm not sure where I left the topic and I apologise (with reservations) if I did.

The OP's content in this thread is presented as fact. I find it otherwise. It seems in part to be dreamed, imagined or otherwise thought up. It seems not to match my experience of the workings of the IPCC. If it is the truth (in part) then it is a 'carefully redacted' truth.

As a good part of the content presented by the OP denigrates the Police and their attitude towards cyclists, I think it perfectly fair to write that some of the detail of the OP's posts has the whiff of fiction about it.

Some people find the accusations levelled by the OP thoroughly plausible and credible. I find them in part to be fanciful and mendacious. I may be wrong.

It is a dreadful business to be turfed off a bicycle by a car. I've experienced it and sympathise that far with the OP.

That far and no farther. I find the great dollops of furious, semi-literate gobbledegook about cover-ups and conspiracy slightly silly.

Others do not.

 

[classic33]

@Boris Bajic, Maybe you can explain the proceedure for obtaining the drivers details, via a Formal Request. MIB Forms require that you make such a request, so that their forms can be completed.
At no stage did the police ever question "my version" of events. They even managed to back up what I had said with records & call logs held at the police station. Records to which I have no access. They managed to name two of the officers involved in the hoax calls, though they couldn't pass those onto me.

If you say "my version" "of events seems in part to be dreamed, imagined or otherwise thought up," "or some of the detail of the OP's posts has the whiff of fiction about it" please explain where. Why would the police bother to investigate what someone had said if the person saying it had nothing to back up what was being said? They were only able to prove that it did happen, their records backing up what I was saying. As did records from a third party, & later by the officer involved, in writing.

Explain the process for making a complaint to the IPCC. What proceedure does a person have to follow for the IPCC to be able to investigate? And what can prevent them from doing so? I know now, but I found out the hard way. No training manual saying what had to be done, to work from.

If the police had any doubts over what was said, why did they not investigate their doubts? Proper proceedure was not followed & they acknowledged that fact. Hard to do otherwise, when 999 calls are recorded & the details of the Officer Attending/Responding are held on record.

Maybe the fact that it was now headed for court, got the officer to offer up "his version" of events. Had it reached court, he'd have been required to attend. Of that I was going to make certain. And two differring versions of events, supplied by the same officer, would be hard to explain in court. Given that only one version could be correct.

From where else could the relevant files have been obtained but from the police, the IPCC & MIB themseles.

I'm touched

Quite possible, it'll explain some of your posts.

 

[glenn forger]

Ignore it classic, it's low-grade trolling, being offensive for the sake of it and seeking attention he's deprived of elsewhere.

 

[classic33]

I'll wait and see if he's able to answer the questions asked.

 

[Matthew_T]

Sounds to me as if the police or relevant officers hate cyclists. And they are just tip-toeing around classic33 and trying as hard as they can to brush him under the rug.

Fortunately, I have a disability. Which I notify the police of when reporting an incident. I dont know if this has had any affect in the past on the outcome of investigations but I havent experienced anything like that has been said in this thread.

The moment I found out the driver failed the roadside breath test and was allowed to continue driving, I would have pursued that matter. At the scene, I would have got the names of attending officers (if I remembered to do that after the collision). I am the type of person who will persist if I know something is not right. On the roads, that can get me into bother, but in incidents like this where the police are breaking their own rules, a firm hand is needed.

@classic33 The fact that the police told you that investigating the incident was not your job, I would have told them to stuff themselves (okay, I wouldnt have but I would have felt like saying it). YOU were involved in the collision. YOU were the victim. And YOU were the only one doing any work.

The last incident I reported to the police, I used the incident statement template from here to write up a statement. When I took it to the police officer who was dealing with the incident, she was amazed at how professional the layout was. She actually thought I was a trainee police officer or clerical assistant. I just told her that I downloaded it from a website because it seemed to fill in all the blanks.
I dont know what she thought of me, or if she believed me but it made her job easier when she was copying it over (pretty much word for word).