RIP Queen Elizabeth

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How the blazes can anyone claim that with a straight face? Firstly, we are divided between republicans and monarchists. Secondly, monarchy is arguably built on division, with the few blessed by divine right and those they bless on one side and their subjects on the other. And finally, in practical terms, the UK monarch is not allowed to engage in political acts like keeping nations unified, which would also violate free voting and the basic right of self-determination.

I recognise there was much good about QE2 to commemorate but let's not praise her for things she didn't do and indeed couldn't do under our constitution.

You've got Queen Victoria to thank for what the current monarchs can and can't do.

Up until she withdrew from public life after the death of Prince Albert, the monarch had much more say in the day-to-day running of the country. But after she closeted herself away, affairs of state simply stopped, because she was not there to engage with the government of the day (Palmerston's Liberals were in power then).

So the government had no choice but to carry on without the sovereign, with the Prime Minister and the cabinet, taking on much of what they'd have considered to be the Queen's duties. Otherwise the country would have come grinding to a halt.
 

Beebo

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Just heard on the news 150 service personnel are going to have to pull the Royal Gun Carriage
Have the horses gone on strike?
That’s what happens at a full state funeral. Churchill was also pulled by the navy. He had the last full state funeral. This will be a new experience for almost all of us.

Watching the horses pulling the coffin yesterday it was quite clear that they don’t like walking at a slow funeral pace.
 

Ming the Merciless

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Just heard on the news 150 service personnel are going to have to pull the Royal Gun Carriage
Have the horses gone on strike?

Difference between a state funeral and ceremonial funeral
 

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If you think the telly has been "normal" for the last week, you've not been watching

Interesting interpretation of what I said.
I actually suggested there's long been excessive news reporting, not just in the last week but for many years.
Ie, news output is excessive, as normal.

I probably shouldn't say excessive, because I meant it as an observation, not a complaint. I'm actually quite partial to watching the BBC News channel, so my news watching hasn't really increased this week.

There's obviously been more change on other channels, esp BBC1.
Two clear changes are:
1) The variety of news reporting fell - for a day or so it was just two stories; a death, and a new king. Much more varied since Saturday though.
2) The prominence of news reporting increased dramatically, but today dropped back to about 7 hrs between 6am and midnight - that's not far off normal. This will ramp up again in response to big news events like the next leg of the home nations tour tomorrow; but surely that's some kind of reporting obligation for the national broadcaster with their public service broadcasting remit?

If you want "normal" tv, take a look at the guide, because in the last week I've I've quite enjoyed "Masterchef", "All that Glitters", "I, Claude Monet", "24 hrs in A&E" (actually the Barnsley Equivalent) and "Bake Off".
And yes, I've watched news and one of the specials from iplayer too.

Or to repeat what I said earlier, people are free to watch as much or as little as they want.
 

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And another British Cycling revision of guidance for Monday; As a mark of respect to Her late Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, British Cycling’s guidance is that no domestic events should take place on the day of the State Funeral, Monday 19 September.

In line with guidance from the Royal Household, any clubs planning rides on the day of the State Funeral may want to consider adjusting their route or ride timings so they do not clash with those of the funeral service and associated processions. However, they are under no obligation to do so.
 

Dogtrousers

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The number of the gun carriage team is 98, I believe, of all ranks. It dates back to Queen Victoria's funeral, so not such an ancient tradition. Nevertheless, those involved are likely to view it as a privilege to be chosen.

When the Queen Mother died I was on holiday and found myself chatting with a military bloke who was also on holiday. He was really p'd off because his unit (not sure of the right word there) was doing the gun salute for the QM. This was quite an honour. And she'd chosen to die while he was on leave and he'd missed it.
 
You've got Queen Victoria to thank for what the current monarchs can and can't do.

Up until she withdrew from public life after the death of Prince Albert, the monarch had much more say in the day-to-day running of the country. But after she closeted herself away, affairs of state simply stopped, because she was not there to engage with the government of the day (Palmerston's Liberals were in power then).

So the government had no choice but to carry on without the sovereign, with the Prime Minister and the cabinet, taking on much of what they'd have considered to be the Queen's duties. Otherwise the country would have come grinding to a halt.

The phrase "Great power brings great responsibility" comes to mind.
 
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