Poor driving from someone who should have known better.

[HMS_Dave]

I would like to introduce you to Linda from Rochdale a 40 year old body building driving instructor.
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True story.

Im hoping there is a toilet underneath her and she sure could use more fibre to help her in her constipation efforts...



PS Please don't hurt me...

 

[Globalti]

A year or so ago GtiJunior and I needed to turn right at a mini-roundabout in the centre of a village. We indicated but a Land Rover 110 pickup coming down towards us simply did not see us; the driver was staring fixedly into the distance and steamed across our path at about 35 mph. Happily we HAD anticipated this and had stopped. I thought about chasing him down as he was about to hit traffic in the village but couldn't be bothered. A close shave though.

 

[Ajax Bay]

Are we talking just large, or ... you know, "well-built - @Drago-like"?

FTFY
Shades of 'Pretty Woman' there

 

[sleuthey]

Give way means give way ( to me ).

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTBOmcOTwM


This particular bit of infrastructure is not ideal, but if I’ve got my arm out to the right, it means they give way. It’s a good job I didn’t take it for granted he was going to give way.

What camera or app was that filmed on please?

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Heres how it used to look.

 

[boydj]

Simple fact is, I am right. The design was intended as I explained, drivers continually get it wrong, that bit of infrastructure is getting a real reputation round here. I’m just glad I got an example of what’s wrong on camera, without getting killed.

The design may well be intended as you say, but there's nothing there to say that a driver has to give way to turning traffic

Wrong again. I had my arm out early. Jesus, I don’t get what’s so hard about it. Sooner or later someone’s going to get hurt / killed.

It's crap infrastructure. Drivers do not expect to have to give way to traffic turning across them and the signing is inadequate, so these incidents will continue to happen.

 

[Racing roadkill]

What camera or app was that filmed on please?

That’s a Garmin VIRB ultra 30.

 

[Racing roadkill]

A year or so ago GtiJunior and I needed to turn right at a mini-roundabout in the centre of a village. We indicated but a Land Rover 110 pickup coming down towards us simply did not see us; the driver was staring fixedly into the distance and steamed across our path at about 35 mph. Happily we HAD anticipated this and had stopped. I thought about chasing him down as he was about to hit traffic in the village but couldn't be bothered. A close shave though.

That’s a big issue though. There’s a lot of inexperienced riders about at the moment, and they may not be able to anticipate this sort of thing so well.

 

[Kempstonian]

Possibly a sign saying 'cycles crossing, give way' or similar would clarify things?

^^^ This.

The question of who was in the right doesn't matter. In a collision it wouldn't be the van that got squished, would it?

 

[HLaB]

I'm not familiar with that exact location but I can't see clear markings that suggest the OP had priority, it looks to me that the crossing works purely on a courtesy basis rather than being a semi controlled zebra crossing or a fully controlled toucan crossing. So driver could have stopped out of courtesy but they are not legally obliged to the markings are just advisory and the OP did well to anticipate that. If they are legal markings there'll be TRO which lists it. I hate however, advisory or even legal stop/ priority crossings just before a junction as folk are usually concentrating on the junction and fail to yield/stop anyway.

 

[Racing roadkill]

^^^ This.

The question of who was in the right doesn't matter. In a collision it wouldn't be the van that got squished, would it?

Quite right. That exact bit of the route is getting a real reputation for being a bit poor, with people that use it. If you’re going straight over, from the cycle path on the left, people doing what I did are supposed to give way to them, even though it’s sometimes really difficult to see them if you’re approaching from the direction I was, add to that the traffic has to give way to anything on the green mat, heading over to my right ( from the perspective of the clip, and you’ve got a potential nightmare situation. There have been several close shaves, and a couple of nasty accidents there already. Then I’ve actually seen drivers approaching from behind where I was, driving through the no entry, and going left into the storage facility place to the left, because they “can’t be bovered wiv going all the way round and back on themselves”. You’ve got to have eyes in the back of your head, and your head on a swivel.

 

[Racing roadkill]

Agreed with Drago, the OP was wobbling and hugging the edge of the road and not riding in a way that asserted his rights as a road user. In my experience motorists give space and respect to cyclists who they see obeying the Highway Code because they take them more seriously.

Right. You should try riding a bike with deep section rims in a gusty side wind, with your arm out to indicate where you’re going, whilst trying to aim for a tiny gap, and braking. I’d love to see it.

 

[Racing roadkill]

Just took a moment to watch the full video. 20mph on a mixed use path in close proximity to pedestrians

Doesn't DfT guidance suggest max 12mph on shared pathways?

It’s not a shared path. That’s a dedicated cycle way. The footpath is on the other side of the road. They’ve even painted bikes on the bike bit, and people on the people bit, but that doesn’t seem to stop people walking in the dedicated cycle bit.

 

[Racing roadkill]

At the point the van driver was duty bound to give way, there was no one to give way to. You crossed your give way markings after he had already stared to do so, and as a 'new' user of that stretch it is you who has to give way to any vehicle already established upon it.

As a general aside, the general manner of riding is not entirely conducive to safe passage. No slowing or defensive positioning as you passed side roads and entry/access points, no moderation of speed when close passing pedestrians (yet wed scream blue murder if a motorist did that to us) and while we cant see for ourselves I'd warrant that observation skills are similarly lacking - certainly the cadence and behaviour of the bike does not suggest a rider taking the time to ensure good obs drills are executed prior to manoeuvring. Indeed, we can be sure they weren't, else you'd have accounted for the presence of that vehicle long before you actually encountered it.

If you're going to criticise a road user for their poor roadcraft one ought to ensure their own is above criticism, else it undermines the entire effort.

 

[monkers]

Right. You should try riding a bike with deep section rims in a gusty side wind, with your arm out to indicate where you’re going, whilst trying to aim for a tiny gap, and braking. I’d love to see it.

There was no requirement for you stick your arm out to indicate your intentions to the van driver - you should not have done so especially if that compromised directional control and simultaneously made the front brake lever unreachable as you were about to need it.

The requirement was for you to stop at the give way line in front of you until the approaching van had passed, and then ensured that no cyclists were passing either way across the road in front of you on the green coloured zone. The green coloured zone across the road indicates that crossing cylists are on a route designed not to be interrupted from traffic on the road. That's a good thing for them, but means they have the right of way over you.

I also think that your speed was too high for the circumstances when you were approaching pedestrians, especially from behind.

''We all make mistakes'' said the dalek climbing off the dustbin, but the bigger mistake is to then blame others.

Frankly, you were lucky not to have been hurt.