Poor driving from someone who should have known better.

[Tail End Charlie]

Reminds me of the scene from Bad Day at Black Rock, just before the bar fight, where Spencer Tracy says "you're not only wrong, but you're wrong at the top of your voice". Sorry don't know how to embed the clip.

 

[Mr Whyte]

I think we all have to be very careful when going out for a ride, we have to be very sharp eyed when near other traffic.

 

[double_dd]

As a cyclist I would turn right onto that path if nothing was coming; but the fact is the give way lines mean you give way to whatever is on that crossing/shared path and so does the van. As a driver I wouldn't have given way to you either. You're turning right in front of me and there's no people waiting to cross so I have right of way.

 

[Brandane]

Reminds me of the scene from Bad Day at Black Rock, just before the bar fight, where Spencer Tracy says "you're not only wrong, but you're wrong at the top of your voice". Sorry don't know how to embed the clip.

Sorry, don't know how to shorten the clip! But the quote is at 2.40....

 

[Milzy]

Give way means give way ( to me ).

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTBOmcOTwM


This particular bit of infrastructure is not ideal, but if I’ve got my arm out to the right, it means they give way. It’s a good job I didn’t take it for granted he was going to give way.

It's not worth a complaint though is it?
Either they're not familiar with the infastucture or just don't care about you. All you can do is ride defensive because nobody will listen.

 

[Drago]

As a cyclist I would turn right onto that path if nothing was coming; but the fact is the give way lines mean you give way to whatever is on that crossing/shared path and so does the van. As a driver I wouldn't have given way to you either. You're turning right in front of me and there's no people waiting to cross so I have right of way.

There is no such thing as right of way. It's an abstract concept that people use to justify killing other people with vehicles.

There is only priority, which is a commodity you give to others or allow to be given to you by others - you never just blindly take it for yourself, ever.

 

[double_dd]

There is no such thing as right of way. It's an abstract concept that people use to justify killing other people with vehicles.

There is only priority, which is a commodity you give to others or allow to be given to you by others - you never just blindly take it for yourself, ever.

You're right re: 'right of way'. But anyone turning right across a vehicle or cyclists path has to give priority to the oncoming vehicle which isn't turning unless the road markings or signs say otherwise. In this instance - they don't. I would definitely slow down but I would do that at any junction or crossing.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

You should try riding a bike with deep section rims in a gusty side wind

A suggestion that riding a bike without deep section rims when there's a gusty wind might be a good plan in future?

 

[matticus]

There is no such thing as right of way. It's an abstract concept that people use to justify killing other people with vehicles.

There is only priority, which is a commodity you give to others or allow to be given to you by others - you never just blindly take it for yourself, ever.

... but would the man on the street actually see any difference? "right of way" may be wrong, but it's a widely understood concept, like it or not!

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Right. You should try riding a bike with deep section rims in a gusty side wind, with your arm out to indicate where you’re going, whilst trying to aim for a tiny gap, and braking. I’d love to see it.

Are you saying you were having trouble controlling your bike in the given circumstances?

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Completely misunderstand that first little give way is for me to give way to anything approaching from the left or right, if I’m going straight on, not going to my right, it’s not give way to stuff on the road.

The van has the same give way markings on the road as you, just before the green cycle crossing. So if it means as you say above then it means the same for the van. The van entered onto the green markings before you. At that point there was nothing for them to give way to.

It is somewhat arrogant to assume sticking your arm out to indicate means oncoming traffic needs to give way to you. It’s like me driving down the road and indicating right and pulling across oncoming traffic. Indicating is indicating your intentions, nothing more, it doesn’t establish priority.

 

[Milzy]

There is no such thing as right of way. It's an abstract concept that people use to justify killing other people with vehicles.

There is only priority, which is a commodity you give to others or allow to be given to you by others - you never just blindly take it for yourself, ever.

Not unless you want a Darwin award. When on roundabouts and it's give way to the right, I make sure vehicles on the left stop.

 

[matticus]

The van has the same give way markings on the road as you

Not quite - the van has a big white triangle filling his lane.

 

[Phil Fouracre]

Blimey! Interesting thread - think I’m living on a different planet! OPs name seems to say it all!

 

[Deleted member 26715]

If you wanted priority over the Sainsbury's van then you should have already been on the cyclepath, as you were not, then you do not get that priority, you were as other have already advised effectively turning right at a crossroads where the vehicle going straight ahead has priority.

Just an observation on your observation, I have just watched the whole video & apart from a very brief occasional shoulder check at occasional junctions you appear never to take observation looks around to see what other vehicles are around you, you wouldn't last very long on a motorcycle with such lack of observation.

But the succinct answer on this is you are wrong, you do not have priority over the van, he/she did nothing wrong, take it onboard & learn from it.