Paper Helmets

[Octet]

OK, so a helmet might help just as it might help for cycling but still cycling helmet yes car helmet no. Why?

Did you not read my post?
The airbags in your car provide the protection that a helmet does on a bicycle. As bicycles aren't fitted with airbags you use the alternative which is the helmet.
To update my point about airbags in a car as well, the majority of cars also incorporate side airbags which further makes the use of a helmet in a car less relevant.

 

[Octet]

This is what amuses me most

You will NOT wear a helmet when it is most likely to prevent a head injury, but will wear it when it is less likely to prevent a head injury!

Then we have the argument that during a fall you will always be able to prevent a head injury, but not be able to on a bike!

Hardly a rational position

You are really mixing up thoughts here, you are more likely to sustain a head injury on a bicycle (note statistics, including the ones from Snell which you seem to love so much) and as such Lpoolck has stated this is why he wears a helmet, because he is travelling faster.

 

[Octet]

And yet car occupants still acquire head injuries that could be reduced by wearing helmets. Do you just not care about this?

You are clearly not reading my posts properly,

"In a car, this "dissipation technology" has been designed to withstand considerably greater impacts, 60 or 70 MPH + and encompass the entire body. A helmet is not going to withstand a 70 MPH + impact (again, as stated in one of my other posts) so it is therefore irrelevant to use one in a car."

 

[ufkacbln]

No.... I am simply stating that the way you fall is different. IF YOU READ MY OTHER POSTS, I have already addressed this, yes a pedestrian still has the possibility to hit their head and sustain brain damage however if you look at the statistics, whilst cycling this threat is considerably heightened.

Totally wrong..... if you look at reality, the admission figures to Casualty departments the number of pedestrians is four to five times that of cyclists

Why don't you provide us with some statistics to suggest otherwise, that cyclists who don't wear helmets are just as likely to be injured in the same way as those who do, and that walking is a (as you seem to put it) dangerous activity.

You are missing the point entirely. NEITHER is a dangerous activity

 

[Lpoolck]

Really? How fast will it be going?

Depends on a multitude of permutations. The trajectory of my fall, my weight, distance etc etc. Furthermore it's more probable that another part of my body would hit the floor first and then my head. So that would leave further permutations and calculations. I am not a physicist. They may be able to provide you with the answer you are looking for.

 

[Octet]

You are missing the pint entirely. NEITHER is a dangerous activity

I agree with you on this, again as stated in my other points!
HOWEVER, in the event that something does happen, a cyclist is far more likely to sustain serious injuries (again, look at the statistics) then a pedestrian.

 

[Octet]

My helmet doesn't have crumple zones and airbags.

I feel cheated

You helmet won't contain an airbag, however it will certainly have a crumple zone.

 

[ufkacbln]

You are really mixing up thoughts here, you are more likely to sustain a head injury on a bicycle (note statistics, including the ones from Snell which you seem to love so much) and as such Lpoolck has stated this is why he wears a helmet, because he is travelling faster.

Sheer piffle.

The figures are exactly the opposite. According to the BMJ more people will suffer head injuries on stairs than on bicycles.

In cohort studies the biggest factors are alcohol followed by falls - cyclists do not even feature as a risk group!

 

[ufkacbln]

You helmet won't contain an airbag, however it will certainly have a crumple zone.

Yes it can!

 

[Octet]

I am reading what you write but it makes no sense. People hit their heads against bits of the insides of their cars and damage their heads. A helmet might have helped in some instances and so their use is relevant.

Not when you compare it to the effects of an airbag, and again if you READ my posts I have stated that:

"Yes a helmet might help, however the airbag in the case of a car would provide the same protection"

 

[theclaud]

Did you not read my post?
The airbags in your car provide the protection that a helmet does on a bicycle. As bicycles aren't fitted with airbags you use the alternative which is the helmet.
To update my point about airbags in a car as well, the majority of cars also incorporate side airbags which further makes the use of a helmet in a car less relevant.

Why not just get one of these?

 

[Octet]

Yes it can!

The majority of helmets will not contain an airbag, yes you can buy airbag collars which work in a similar way to that of a car however this is not the norm.

 

[ufkacbln]

You are really mixing up thoughts here, you are more likely to sustain a head injury on a bicycle (note statistics, including the ones from Snell which you seem to love so much) and as such Lpoolck has stated this is why he wears a helmet, because he is travelling faster.

Another bizarre statement.
If he is trying to prevent a head injury, why not travel at a speed where the helmet is effective rather than negate the helmet's value by travelling at a speed where it less likely to prevent one?

 

[theclaud]

The majority of helmets will not contain an airbag, yes you can buy airbag collars which work in a similar way to that of a car however this is not the norm.

It's not just that it's not the norm, it's also that it's completely barmy.

 

[Octet]

Another bizarre statement.
If he is trying to prevent a head injury, why not travel at a speed where the helmet is effective rather than negate the helmet's value by travelling at a speed where it less likely to prevent one?

According to this idea, we should all sit in a concrete bunker wearing tin foil hats!

By wearing a helmet you are preparing yourself if the event arises, you have to with all things, take both the advantages and disadvantages and make a reasonable, justified conclusion.