Paper Helmets

[theclaud]

So would it not be wise to protect yourself in case it happens?

From having a giant head that keeps bumping into things? Yes.

 

[ufkacbln]

Lets look at this from a slightly different point of view?

Dissipating as much energy before it hits the skull is an obvious advantage to pedestrians, (or are you going to dispute this as well?).
By dissipating energy you reduce the amount which can cause damage to your skull and internal organs (following the bit about pedestrians so far?).

By placing a compressible material between your head and the ground, some of (I never stated all, referring back to my point that it isn't a miracle "cure" ) the energy will be removed. This will place a pedestrian in a better position then if it was their skull which did the "compressing".

Once again, you wouldn't drive a car without airbags, you wouldn't drive a car without crumple zones, but maybe you should consider a helmet as well given the large numbers of hospital admissions through head injuries to car drivers and passengers that still occur despite all ofthis.?

It's basic physics


In a pedestrian fall however, the helmet which is in question will be one of those circumstances where it is advantageous.

You still haven't explained why you have a fixation on cyclists wearing helmets, yet feel it unnecessary to prevent head injuries in the more vulnerable groups that suffer far greater numbers of head injuries.

 

[Linford]

And you can't prove he wont!

It isn't just him who may fall badly. The thing about an accident is you are not in control.you have no idea how you might fall..that is why I feel he just got lucky and landed well

 

[Lpoolck]

Why are people trying to make people wear helmets when cycling. Let them make the choice themselves and let natural selection do its work.

 

[Linford]

Why are people trying to make people wear helmets when cycling. Let them make the choice themselves and let natural selection do its work.

Some people need protecting from their own stupidity. ...

 

[ufkacbln]

So would it not be wise to protect yourself in case it happens?

Against what happening?

Tripping over while walking?

 

[ufkacbln]

Some people need protecting from their own stupidity. ...

Says the person who states he rides motorbikes without one, then denies it, then claims he wears a Thudguard, and as a piece de resistance throws a tantrum a "terrible two" would be proud of, and refuses to answer any questions about his not wearing a helmet...

 

[theclaud]

Do people who don't wear helmets die more than those who do?

No idea, but they certainly seem to bang their heads less often.

 

[Octet]

Do people who don't wear helmets die more than those who do?

Statistics would suggest yes.

http://www.helmets.org/stats.htm - Just one source, there are plenty of others.

 

[Octet]

Lpoolck's post is more offensive, suggesting that cyclists dying is a laughing matter. @david k and @Octet who liked it might like to reflect on their values.

In no way do I believe the post, "Some people need protecting from their own stupidity. ..." is a threat, or written in malicious intent. It is simply a joke and even at that isn't about cyclists dying from crashes.

 

[Octet]

An independent source perhaps?

If you can find one then I would be happy to look at it.

 

[Davidc]

So would it not be wise to protect yourself in case it happens?

Same goes for travelling on a scheduled aircraft. Always wear a parachute just in case all the engines fail.

The number of cycle accidents involving serious head injuries is extremely small, so he's unlikely to have a problem. There's also evidence that current helmets offer no net benefit. This corrugated cardboard helmet might change that though.

Don't bother pointing out that aircraft failures are even more rare than serious head injuries to cyclists - I know that already.

 

[Octet]

Lpoolck's post

It is, as you have stated, a joke. In no way has it been written with malicious intent, because if I thought it had been then believe me I would have reported it.
You have to make jokes about things in life, and in this case it was simply an expression of Lpoolck's opinion.

 

[Octet]

I don't need to. You are promoting something, you prove your case.

Well, there are approximately 75 sources on that page of which a large proportion are independent, take for example the numerous research papers from universities and independent researchers.

As you didn't seem to look through it all, I'll post a few of them:

Statistics from a study titled The Effect of Bicycle Helmet Legislation on Bicycling Fatalities by Darren Grant and Stephen M. Rutner.
Statistics from the most recent study by Robert S. Thompson, MD, Frederick P. Rivara, MD, M.P.H., and Diane C. Thompson, MS
Statistics from Safe Kids USA
Statistics from the Children's Safety Network
A note from the University of California at Berkeley Wellness Letter of Dec 97

AND from Cunobelin's favourite standard:

Statistics from the Snell Memorial Foundation

 

[Fab Foodie]

Now, care to address the question, why cyclists and not pedestrians or car occupants?

Check Mate I think ....