Paper Helmets

[MontyVeda]

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You can get a skull fracture at lower speeds than is required to cause brain damage from the G force. A skull fracture can also result in shards of bone breaking off inside the skull and injuring the brain.

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And I don't understand why people think i'm an idiot for wearing a helmet when i walk to the corner shop... it's a dangerous world and anything could happen. Stay safe folks!!!

 

[MontyVeda]

You and Adrian are the Troll twins tag team of Cyclechat. Why not give it a rest eh ?

Come on Linfy, there's enough folk on CC who 'cry troll' when other posters don't agree, please don't join them

 

[ufkacbln]

So do you use a snell tested lid, and if not, why not ?. You have held this standard up as an acceptable one to measure efficacy of cycling lids so you do clearly think that they can mitigate in the event of an accident.

Once again Linford dodges to the left of the field, and peforms a staggeringly intricate maneouvre to avoid answering the points asked.

 

[Linford]

Once again Linford dodges to the left of the field, and peforms a staggeringly intricate maneouvre to avoid answering the points asked.

Providing it can be proved that the open lattice does not act as a "snag point"

Providing it passes Snell B95

Providing it can be shown that the structure lasts over exposure to the elements and normal wear and tear

Providing the proven issue with ventilation decreasing the efficiency of helmets does not happen in this case

Here, I've bolded the bit which you said....or are you now going to retract this ?

FWIW, the SNELL B-95/N95 testing covers all your other points of issue in this post apart from your red herring ventilation statement

Now tell me again what is wrong with the standard, and if not, why aren't you wearing a lid which conforms to it if you believe it to bring a genuine benefit ?

 

[Linford]

Whilst having the brass neck to suggest that others are trolls.

You were told to stick to the topic or stop posting by admin Adrian...what is this post if not another personal dig ?

 

[ufkacbln]

Here, I've bolded the bit which you said....or are you now going to retract this ?

FWIW, the SNELL B-95/N95 testing covers all your other points of issue in this post apart from your red herring ventilation statement

Now tell me again what is wrong with the standard, and if not, why aren't you wearing a lid which conforms to it if you believe it to bring a genuine benefit ?

I find it amusingly ironic that you dismissed the Snell B95, and then avoided totally answering the questions, yet now are pushing for the answers to yours.

I will come to a deal....

When you have the decency to answer, then I will reply

The open lattice has no snag points. The inner shell has an eps shell for fit and comfort, and the outer shell is smooth as shown in this thread up page ^

You have stated you accept that a lid tested to snell b95 is adequate but this testing standard is 19 years old now. Technology moved on and this is the result

...and just how has a helmet impacting a solid object changed in 19 years?

Has gravity increased?

Or are you suggesting that helmets are no longer designed to withstand an impact?

If a helmet is able to withstand the Snell impact tests then it is able to with stand the Snell impact tests. If notthen it offers less protection than one that does-simples

Now lets see which tangent you take to avoid answering that basic fact?

Interesting that I could predict a tangential avoidance of the answer, not that there was ever any doubt.

 

[ufkacbln]

I posted:

Providing the proven issue with ventilation decreasing the efficiency of helmets does not happen in this case

..and your reply was:

.... apart from your red herring ventilation statement

Again you are showing a lack of any real knowledge about how helmets are structured and work!

 

[Octet]

Dissipating as much energy before it hits the skull is an obvious advantage (or are you going to dispute this as well?).
By dissipating energy you reduce the amount which can cause damage to your skull and internal organs (following so far?).

By placing a compressible material between your head and the ground, some of (I never stated all, referring back to my point that it isn't a miracle "cure" ) the energy will be removed. This will place you in a better position then if it was your skull which did the "compressing".

Once again, you wouldn't drive a car without airbags, you wouldn't drive a car without crumple zones.

It's basic physics.

 

[Octet]

No one is disputing that a helmet may be of use in some circumstances.

And I'm not denying that it is useless in certain circumstances.
In a bicycle crash however, the helmet which is in question will be one of those circumstances where it is advantageous.

 

[Octet]

Not necessarily. Last time a driver had me off I hit the front wing, flew over the bonnet, hit the ground. My knee hurt where it hit the wing. My shoulder hurt where it hit the ground. Helmet never came into it.

.... obviously a helmet cannot protect an area which it isn't covering.... all you have done is made an irrelevant point.

 

[theclaud]

.... obviously a helmet cannot protect an area which it isn't covering.... all you have done is made an irrelevant point.

Another thing a helmet can do is hit the ground where one's unhelmeted head would not - on account of making the head substantially larger...

 

[Linford]

Not necessarily. Last time a driver had me off I hit the front wing, flew over the bonnet, hit the ground. My knee hurt where it hit the wing. My shoulder hurt where it hit the ground. Helmet never came into it.

All you have proven is that you have got lucky. You cannot guarantee that will be the case next time. ?.

 

[morrisman]

All you have proven is that you have got lucky. You cannot guarantee that will be the case next time. ?.

And you can't prove he wont!

 

[Octet]

And you can't prove he wont!

So would it not be wise to protect yourself in case it happens?

 

[morrisman]

So would it not be wise to protect yourself in case it happens?

So do you protect yourself against all other possible accidents that could befall you as you pass along your merry way? No you don't!