Obesity

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winjim

Smash the cistern
Blimey ! this is not going to help the obesity crisis is it ? nutritional advisor to obese patient " you are likely suffering from a starvation response which was achieved by DNA methylation in utero" Obese patient to nutritional advosor "There you go, I told everyone I 'eat like a bird' but I still put on weight, I may as well give up the diet, this is all my granny's fault. " ^_^

What we need to discover now is why this "starvation response" has lain largely dormant until the 21st century ? :rolleyes: in 1960 just 1% of men and 2% of women were obese, in 2021 in the UK 28% of people are obese and a further 36% are overweight. Are we really expected to believe one of the reasons we are now suffering an obesity crisis is linked to the famines of the middle ages ?
Yes, because that one example of epigenetics I used obviously represents the sum total of our knowledge and understanding of diet, nutrition and obesity.
 

battered

Guru
Yes, because that one example of epigenetics I used obviously represents the sum total of our knowledge and understanding of diet, nutrition and obesity.
No, you've missed the point that it's all down to obese people being fat, lazy bastards who should be culled. They should bring back national service too, and corporal punishment. That would sort them out, look at the statistics. 1960 - 1% fat people, National Service still in place. 2020 - no nashers any more, 30% of people are fat. Stanstereason, dunnit?
Honestly, some people, just haven't got a clue.
 

Scaleyback

Veteran
Location
North Yorkshire
Winston Churchill and Oliver Hardy are just two very well known examples that prove that obesity was an issue prior to 1960 for the more privileged people in society.
Of course there will always be exceptions.
Another factor fuelling obesity here in the UK is apparently poverty ? poorer people cannot afford 'quality food' Poorer quality food has more of 'what makes you fat' Hmm ? in many countries of the world (Africa ?) poverty is 'fuelling' malnutrition and death. In my opinion it is far more likely to be feckless parents feeding their kids on chips, crisps and sugary drinks. Uneducated, lazy people ignoring all the good nutrition advice available and spending the day on the sofa with their feet up, eating crisps and watching Jeremy Kyle.
 

BoldonLad

Not part of the Elite
Location
South Tyneside
Of course there will always be exceptions.
Another factor fuelling obesity here in the UK is apparently poverty ? poorer people cannot afford 'quality food' Poorer quality food has more of 'what makes you fat' Hmm ? in many countries of the world (Africa ?) poverty is 'fuelling' malnutrition and death. In my opinion it is far more likely to be feckless parents feeding their kids on chips, crisps and sugary drinks. Uneducated, lazy people ignoring all the good nutrition advice available and spending the day on the sofa with their feet up, eating crisps and watching Jeremy Kyle.

Gloves off time ;)
 
Of course there will always be exceptions.
Another factor fuelling obesity here in the UK is apparently poverty ? poorer people cannot afford 'quality food' Poorer quality food has more of 'what makes you fat' Hmm ? in many countries of the world (Africa ?) poverty is 'fuelling' malnutrition and death. In my opinion it is far more likely to be feckless parents feeding their kids on chips, crisps and sugary drinks. Uneducated, lazy people ignoring all the good nutrition advice available and spending the day on the sofa with their feet up, eating crisps and watching Jeremy Kyle.
Jeremy Kyle isnt even on the T.V anymore, you need to keep up. Comparing the situation in the U.K to Africa is not comparable really. Obviously poverty in the U.K is very different to poverty in Africa. Its not just people with a lower education that have obesity its across the board.. Perhaps look away from the Daily Mail and educate yourself.
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
Could it be something to do with the fact that food of all types but especially the high calorie type is more abundant and available more cheaply (to those of us in the affluent West) than ever before?

One hundred years ago the option of over-eating wasn't available to ordinary people in the way it is today and they couldn't pop into Tesco's for a six pack of Tennent's and a multipack of cheese and onion crisps and get change from a tenner.
Yes. It’s certainly a factor.
 
Could it be something to do with the fact that food of all types but especially the high calorie type is more abundant and available more cheaply (to those of us in the affluent West) than ever before?

One hundred years ago the option of over-eating wasn't available to ordinary people in the way it is today and they couldn't pop into Tesco's for a six pack of Tennent's and a multipack of cheese and onion crisps and get change from a tenner.

That, and the fact that food has become cheaper than it used to be. OK, cheaper is maybe not the right way of saying it, but it takes up a smaller proportion of income than it used to.

I recently binge-watched the first series of "Back in Time for Dinner" in the course of one evening, and when you watch it almost on fast forward like that, it really opens your eyes as to how much food and food shopping has changed in the last six decades. We probably don't notice it so much, because the change has been gradual, but my word, like that, it doesn't half stand out.

Things that once were a treat are now the mundane, cheap and easily available.
 
how much food and food shopping has changed in the last six decades

When the first supermarket opened in the town where I grew up, we went on a school trip to look at it. It was revolutionary.
This was the future! This was where we would buy our jetpacks!
 

tyred

Legendary Member
Location
Ireland
That, and the fact that food has become cheaper than it used to be. OK, cheaper is maybe not the right way of saying it, but it takes up a smaller proportion of income than it used to.

Amongst other things it's a function of more mechanisation and more intensive farming techniques making food production more efficient. It's good in many ways as food is cheaper but it's not good for rural communities or the natural environment. The sort of small family farms that I grew up on can no longer be economically viable in reality. A farmer would have got paid more for producing a ton of potatoes in 1980 than (s)he would today so there is little point in planting a few acres like my Dad would have done. You need to be on a bigger scale than that.

I recently binge-watched the first series of "Back in Time for Dinner" in the course of one evening, and when you watch it almost on fast forward like that, it really opens your eyes as to how much food and food shopping has changed in the last six decades. We probably don't notice it so much, because the change has been gradual, but my word, like that, it doesn't half stand out.

I grew up in a rural area in the 1980s and the bulk of our groceries would have come from a shop a few miles away (think Arkwright in Open All Hours) and he went around all the rural houses in bay-window VW Type II van while his wife ran the physical shop, probably visiting maybe eight or ten houses each day with groceries and also coal, gas cylinders, possibly even bags of cattle feed and anything else someone might have ordered. Today, I see people leaving supermarkets with enough shopping to have almost fill a Type II VW and that is just for one family! Family sizes have generally got smaller, what are people doing with all this stuff?

Things that once were a treat are now the mundane, cheap and easily available.

I remember a Terry's Chocolate Orange being a real treat, once or twice a year at Christmas and Birthday and they were quite expensive. Even on a relatively modest wage, I could afford to eat two or three a day at today's prices if I wanted to.
 

BoldonLad

Not part of the Elite
Location
South Tyneside
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I grew up in a rural area in the 1980s and the bulk of our groceries would have come from a shop a few miles away (think Arkwright in Open All Hours) and he went around all the rural houses in bay-window VW Type II van while his wife ran the physical shop, probably visiting maybe eight or ten houses each day with groceries and also coal, gas cylinders, possibly even bags of cattle feed and anything else someone might have ordered. Today, I see people leaving supermarkets with enough shopping to have almost fill a Type II VW and that is just for one family! Family sizes have generally got smaller, what are people doing with all this stuff?
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If they are anything like my daughter No 3, throwing it away, when the Best Before date is reached, and, it has not been eaten. ;)

I despair ;)
 
Amongst other things it's a function of more mechanisation and more intensive farming techniques making food production more efficient. It's good in many ways as food is cheaper but it's not good for rural communities or the natural environment. The sort of small family farms that I grew up on can no longer be economically viable in reality. A farmer would have got paid more for producing a ton of potatoes in 1980 than (s)he would today so there is little point in planting a few acres like my Dad would have done. You need to be on a bigger scale than that.

I grew up in a rural area in the 1980s and the bulk of our groceries would have come from a shop a few miles away (think Arkwright in Open All Hours) and he went around all the rural houses in bay-window VW Type II van while his wife ran the physical shop, probably visiting maybe eight or ten houses each day with groceries and also coal, gas cylinders, possibly even bags of cattle feed and anything else someone might have ordered. Today, I see people leaving supermarkets with enough shopping to have almost fill a Type II VW and that is just for one family! Family sizes have generally got smaller, what are people doing with all this stuff?

I remember a Terry's Chocolate Orange being a real treat, once or twice a year at Christmas and Birthday and they were quite expensive. Even on a relatively modest wage, I could afford to eat two or three a day at today's prices if I wanted to.

Can't disagree with any of that. This is very definitely farming country out here - mostly arable and some market gardening. Everyone now concentrates on the staples of wheat, sugar beet, potatoes and oil seed rape. There's a lot less other crops being grown, like onions, carrots and celery - and the fens used to be very famous for their celery.

Certainly, something like a chicken used to be a Sunday / special occasion thing rather than an everyday meat. With intensive rearing, it makes it a lot cheaper - economies of scale and all that. There's a place up the road that rears ducks - they pump out I think it's 20,000 birds every eight weeks from just a small handful of sheds.

Likewise here. I'm London born & bred, but moved out here more years ago than I can care to admit. Well, mid 80s. The butcher's van used to come round twice a week, the milkie three times a week (he did bread, fruit juices and cheese as well) and a green grocer had a van too. A fish van used to turn up in the village on a Tuesday, and the pub sold eggs from a local supplier. Ely had a Co-op and a Tesco and that was it, but there was a good market twice a week. Now there's a Waitrose, a Sainsbury's, Iceland, Aldi and a much bigger Tesco.

I'm guilty of buying a lot of groceries (two peeps here chez Casa Reynard), but I typically only go shopping once a fortnight or once every three weeks. :blush:
 
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