Motorsports Thread

[classic33]

Yep. In 1981, was the last race of the season.

That year, the US GP East was supposed to have been at Watkins Glen, but the circuit went bust earlier in the year, and Caesar's Palace ended up being a last-minute compromise. Carlos Reutemann was on pole, but Alan Jones won the race.

Incidentally, it was the only race in 1981 that Derek Warwick managed to qualify the Toleman TG181 for.

F1 then went back again in 1982, where an attritional race was won by Michele Alboreto in the Tyrrell - the last victory for a normally-aspirated engined car until the 1989 Brazilian GP in Rio.

For 1983, F1 went to Long Beach. The US GP West was held in Detroit.

Prost has just entered the pits!

Change of tyres

 

[Jenkins]

The 1981 & 1982 Caesar's Palace races have been shown on Sky Sports F1 over the past couple of days in their 'Classic Races' slot.

Safety car on board lap of the circuit

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYVaCEy0wXI


Map of the circuit

And, as pointed out on another forum, the circuit designers may have been Simpsons fans

 

[icowden]

Safety car on board lap of the circuit

Wow. A lot of that looks *narrow*.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Just finished watching Brawn GP. What a season 2009 was! 3 drivers all with a chance of winning right up to the penultimate race, multiple race winners, team-mates competing against each other, Ecclestone & Moseley scheming - great stuff!

 

[Beebo]

Oh dear. The concrete frame of a manhole inspection cover failed due to the huge pressures being transferred by the tyres. It was only a very small one, less than the size of a dinner plate, but damaged 2 cars.
All manholes on the circuit are now being tested.

 

[Drago]

Just finished watching Brawn GP. What a season 2009 was! 3 drivers all with a chance of winning right up to the penultimate race, multiple race winners, team-mates competing against each other, Ecclestone & Moseley scheming - great stuff!

And the Brawn car was a real lash up, even using an adaptor plate to mate a different gearbox to the engine which is a real kludge by F1 standards, but by sheer chance the car hit the sweet spot.

 

[Illaveago]

They did, Caesars palace car park as I recall.

Time of Carlos Reuteman and Nelson what's his name!

 

[Drago]

Time of Carlos Reuteman and Nelson what's his name!

Nelson Scollum. A good driver in his day.

 

[Jenkins]

And FP2 gets underway at around 02:30 local time with no spectators in the stands.

 

[icowden]

Apparently Sainz stands to get a grid penalty for having to replace parts on his car even though the cause of that was the track demolishing his car.
Seems a little unfair.

 

[Jody]

Apparently Sainz stands to get a grid penalty for having to replace parts on his car even though the cause of that was the track demolishing his car.
Seems a little unfair.

Very unfair given the track caused his damage.

Although that's what the rules state so there is little the FIA could do about it.

Teams should show solidarity with Ferrari on this instance and push for Sainz not to be penalised.

 

[Drago]

Its very unfair that the damage caused to Max's car at Silverstone in 2021 by Ramilton cost RB more than the £400k cost cap breach (the sum being that which the FIA settled upon after agreeing the rest, a tax rebate, was not strictly speaking accounted for in the regs so would be disregarded.) The new chassis alone cost them £800k. But for Ramilton there would have been no breach.

It ain't fair, but it happens, and the risk is carried equally by all.

Back then the teams were calling for RB to be hung, drawn and quartered, which was particularly hilarious considering Fezza and enginegate just a few seasons prior.

The teams in it for themselves singularly, they won't be calling for anything until one of their drivers cops it, then it's suddenly unfair. The only time the FIA tend to act is when Mercedes whine, then they'll happily amend the regs mid-season to satisfy them. Poor Carlos, deserving as he is of a breakmfor that, has no hope.

 

[Jody]

Its very unfair that the damage caused to Max's car at Silverstone in 2021 by Ramilton cost RB more than the £400k cost cap breach (the sum being that which the FIA settled upon after agreeing the rest, a tax rebate, was not strictly speaking accounted for in the regs so would be disregarded.) The new chassis alone cost them £800k. But for Ramilton there would have been no breach.

Bit of a difference between an accident during a race and a manhole cover popping up damaging PU components and the tub.

 

[Jenkins]

Apparently Sainz stands to get a grid penalty for having to replace parts on his car even though the cause of that was the track demolishing his car.
Seems a little unfair.

The FIA have also refused Ferrari's request for the replacement parts not to be included in their allocation for the year and this may also have repercussions on the cost cap.

 

[icowden]

Its very unfair that the damage caused to Max's car at Silverstone in 2021 by Ramilton cost RB more than the £400k cost cap breach (the sum being that which the FIA settled upon after agreeing the rest, a tax rebate, was not strictly speaking accounted for in the regs so would be disregarded.) The new chassis alone cost them £800k. But for Ramilton there would have been no breach.

No it isn't. It's called racing. It's what they do. Sometimes crashes happen.

It ain't fair, but it happens, and the risk is carried equally by all.

You don't seem to be able to differentiate track faults from racing. I think it's a reasonable assumption by the teams that if the track attacks their cars, that shouldn't result in them being penalised. The FIA are supposed to check and approve the track.