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Drago said:
I think a lot of people have a chip on their shoulder over Verstappen due to the controversy of the final race of '21, completely ignoring the fact that he personally did nothing wrong that day.
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He beat Hamilton thats enough in some peoples eyes, but didn't Max take on new rubber and Hamilton didn't? Putting Hamilton at a disadvantage? Without the stoppage and the way it was handled Hamilton would have won that.
 
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Drago said:
I think a lot of people have a chip on their shoulder over Verstappen due to the controversy of the final race of '21, completely ignoring the fact that he personally did nothing wrong that day.
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Mine goes back way further than that, he was dangerous when he first came to F1 so much so they changed the rules to stop he before he killed somebody, but now he doesn't like it when somebody doesn't jump out of his way, or tries to give back what he was happy to give out. Don't get me wrong he is the real deal, he is one of the best drivers there has ever been now that the monkey is off his shoulder of not being able to win the WDC, he's matured, but now he's taking on the mantel of elitism which is again not a good look on him.

As for the 21 race, no he did nothing wrong, that's been proved, it was all down to Michael Massi making up his own rules on the day, or at least Michael Massi is the fall guy, it however should have been overturned & not because it would have handed Hamilton the title, but because it was simply wrong.

May I also ask why you continue to refer to Hamilton as Ramilton, is it some cryptic reference to an event that took place at some point, possibly Silverstone in which had the roles been reversed Verstappen would have done exactly the same.
 
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Drago said:
To be fair, people moan about it being boring while singularly ignoring the sight of a F1 world champion at the height of his power carving through the pack and making them look like Sunday drivers. We used to be thrilled when Hamilton, Vettel, Schumacher or Hakkinen started down the order and blitzed the opposition, yet when Verstappen does it its a boring race.
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Well yes, because they did it in cars that were competitive but where other teams cars were very close in terms of performance.

The Red Bull is racing in a different event. Max's tuning seems to give him a second a lap on everyone else. So carving through the pack isn't very exciting when you have so much more pace than any other driver bar your team mate.

If you take out Red Bull the race is pretty exciting between Mercedes, Ferrari and Aston Martin - they are all in the mix and similar pace. Whilst Merc had a long period of wins, they never managed to win every race in a season, which is what this season currently looks like.
 
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I guess once in a while the planets align and you get ( at that time) THE best driver coupled with the best car and there's no stopping them, they will inevitably make the competition look mundane.
It happened when Hamilton was at his peak, it happened with Schumacker , its happening with Verspappen. Hamilton, like many sportsmen, once he has had his day, will find it extraordinarily difficult to get back up there. Mentally, physically, I think something changes inside. You see the similar with all sectors of sport
 
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Phaeton said:
Just watched the Sir Jackie Stewart clip, so funny.
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The security are getting some stick on line, but do they really expect an American security guard to know who Jackie Stewart is.
I wouldn’t recognise a US legend like Mario Andretti if he pushed past me. You can’t expect they would know everyone.
 
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Beebo said:
The security are getting some stick on line, but do they really expect an American security guard to know who Jackie Stewart is.
I wouldn’t recognise a US legend like Mario Andretti if he pushed past me. You can’t expect they would know everyone.
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I'd know Andretti, but not any basketball or American rugby players
 
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Phaeton said:
Mine goes back way further than that, he was dangerous when he first came to F1 so much so they changed the rules to stop he before he killed somebody, but now he doesn't like it when somebody doesn't jump out of his way, or tries to give back what he was happy to give out. Don't get me wrong he is the real deal, he is one of the best drivers there has ever been now that the monkey is off his shoulder of not being able to win the WDC, he's matured, but now he's taking on the mantel of elitism which is again not a good look on him.

As for the 21 race, no he did nothing wrong, that's been proved, it was all down to Michael Massi making up his own rules on the day, or at least Michael Massi is the fall guy, it however should have been overturned & not because it would have handed Hamilton the title, but because it was simply wrong.

May I also ask why you continue to refer to Hamilton as Ramilton, is it some cryptic reference to an event that took place at some point, possibly Silverstone in which had the roles been reversed Verstappen would have done exactly the same.
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And mine goes back further still... A classic case of a pushy (and unpleasant) parent and a stupid amount of money invested in him, creating a modern-day Caligula to whom no one dares say "No" to. Motorsport is hard graft in the lower formulae, and Max bypassed much of the learning process.

Max is fast - you can't disagree with that. But he only had a single season in cars prior to F1, ergo he has no racecraft to speak of, no patience, no sense of tactical nous. Which he would have learned had he progressed via Formula Ford (or whatever it's called these days), F3 and F2. The ladder of junior formulae is there for a reason.

All very well being fast in the best car, but it takes way more skill to get a good tune out of a middling one. Just look at Seb - brilliant at Red Bull, and then it all went downhill from there. Damon Hill - fine while in a Williams, but other cars showed he was mediocre at best. Likewise with Jacques Villeneuve.
 
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Phaeton said:
Yes very harsh, do they not have the same type of system like F1 where they get warnings before the actual implementation of the penalty, I could see where he was cutting the corners which was presumably the issue, although Sutton commented he was more off the road than on. His team do not appear to have told him about the penalty or he just refused to accept it, the way he still battled Sutton after he going past him & fighting back, it was a bit close for a driver who was 10 seconds behind. The marshal didn't appear to have many people skills when he tried to be weighed, saw him kick the day closed at one point when Collard tried to get out. Or was that him wanting to be weighed in case they could appeal the decision?
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IIRC, most if not all circuits owned by Jonathan Palmer are fitted with pressure plates used to determine track limits. So track limits are pretty cut and shut really.

I feel sorry for the fans, as it was so good to watch, and yes, the incident could have been handled far better than it was. But you can guarantee that by the next round, if there was a failure in the notification system, that Alan Gow will have an improved procedure in place.

That wasn't a marshal btw, that was the Clerk of the Course.
 
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