Motorsports Thread

[Deleted member 1258]

The race had barely ended and the conspiracy theorists are making excuses. Never heard such a L.O.B.

Perez was on mediums and his lap times had plateaued despite the car getting lighter. They know from rqce sims at pradtice that 20 laps at Miami is a lot on the medium, they actually kept him out probably a lap or two longer than was wise and Perez was on the radio complaining that his fronts had gone, so I'm not quite sure how you you think they brought him in early - he well and truly had his moneys worth out of them. They were knackered, they had little choice but to box him.

You will note that Max did less laps on the medium that Perez, so Lord only knows why you think they pitted Perez early after 20 on the same compound.

And as for not telling Perez anything about Max, that is simply fiction. I pay for the full FIA F1 access and listen to all the team comms (the ones that interest me at any rate) and there was lots of chatter between Perez and his crew about Max. The countown was almost comical as Max scythed through the pack and the crew reported each move to Perez, and as Max got closer Perez stopped even acknowledging the messages (probably deep in thought trying to figure a way to change that which he knew was coming.) From the later chatter it seems towards the end that Perez was trying to convince himself that Max had a problem, but Perez was clearly grasping at straws by then.

Perez shafted himself. A top flight driver in their prime like Vettel or Hamilton in their day, or Max now, would have cleared a 20 or 25 second gap to the next car. Perez started on quicker tyres than Max and failed to exploit them by doing that. Perez either simply did not have the pace, was poor with his tyre management, or his strategy was poor, or a mixture of the three. No excuses, Verstappen simply outclassed him in his prime wry tyre choice, subsequent tyre management, and sheer racecraft.

One amusing moment. Alonso put in another great performance and has such mental bandwidth that as he was going round he was watching Stroll on the screens and even called the team to tell them to congratulate Stroll in the way he'd handled a particular corner. How does the guy multi task to that level?

Hamilton got a bit petulant - does he do anything other than petulant these days? - on the radio when it became clear that George was going to breeze past him. Such great teamwork. Not.

The team decided Cheko's tyre strategy, they got it wrong.

 

[Drago]

The team decided Cheko's tyre strategy, they got it wrong.

Perez was complaining his fronts, and the front left in particular, had gone. What else could the team do but call him in? Please explain.

Perez went out with what was considered the prime tyre choice. Even the Pirelli Head of Motorsport, Mario Isola, said before the race "The data collected so far suggests that a one-stopper from Medium to Hard is the best theoretical way to run the race."

So considering that even the tyre manufacture expected it to be the best theoretical choice, why do you think RB got the strategy wrong? All the top 6 starters started on the medium.

That Perez can be on a faster tyre driving in the clean air and Max still manages to pump out quicker laps times than him for lap after lap is nothing to do with strategy. Max, for all his childish outbursts and daft name calling, simply out-drove him.

 

[Reynard]

Fabby day's action from Brands Hatch.

Dunno what Ash Sutton was on, but can I please have some of that to put in my tea? I could use some get-up-and-go. Felt really gutted for Ricky Collard in race 3. Good to see Dan Cam and Ting have pointsy days. Also confused as to why Robert de Haan kept that second Porsche race, because he overtook Chris Smalling after the safety car board... Two good third places for Charles Rainford tho.

Glad everyone walked away safely from the big wreck in the Legends race, that could've been quite nasty.

And thanks to my mate RJN for helping to keep us all entertained from the commentary box.

Looking forward to Snett in a fortnight.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

Perez was complaining his fronts, and the front left in particular, had gone. What else could the team do but call him in? Please explain.

Perez went out with what was considered the prime tyre choice. Even the Pirelli Head of Motorsport, Mario Isola, said before the race "The data collected so far suggests that a one-stopper from Medium to Hard is the best theoretical way to run the race."

So considering that even the tyre manufacture expected it to be the best theoretical choice, why do you think RB got the strategy wrong? All the top 6 starters started on the medium

It was wrong for Cheko because it left him trying to defend himself on old tyres, they'd been been trading fastest laps until Cheko's tyres went off, there wasn't a big difference between the two tyres today, yes it was well driven by Max but Cheko wasn't helped by tyre choice, and what was going on with the radio? Max was being updated on Cheko but Cheko wasn't being updated on Max.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1025896/1/theory-over-very-odd-red-bull-radio-touted-sky-pundit

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Max probably put in the drive of his career and totally outclassed Perez with both sheer pace and tyre management.

I don't think it was one of the best drive, I think it was just another day at the office nothing special, when you have a car that is so much quicker than anything else out there it was obvious what was going to happen. He didn't really win the race, the race was won & lost before they went out on track, the strategists won/lost the race.

Perez's side of the garage should have been bolder, they should have started on the hard, expected to lose a place off the grid only to take it back by the end of lap 2. But hindsight is a wonderful thing,

As to your petulant Hamilton, he did as was asked, in fact he made if far easier for Russell to get past than I was expecting, I was expecting a slight lift on a straight, not a jump out of the way.

But share your view on Alonso, playing the mind games on the radio, tyres are going off, they need changing, need to go to plan A -12 laps, then go to plan A +10 laps as they were that good, then to be watching the big screen of on overtake of his team mate on a the big screen whist driving the car.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Felt really gutted for Ricky Collard in race 3.

Yes very harsh, do they not have the same type of system like F1 where they get warnings before the actual implementation of the penalty, I could see where he was cutting the corners which was presumably the issue, although Sutton commented he was more off the road than on. His team do not appear to have told him about the penalty or he just refused to accept it, the way he still battled Sutton after he going past him & fighting back, it was a bit close for a driver who was 10 seconds behind. The marshal didn't appear to have many people skills when he tried to be weighed, saw him kick the day closed at one point when Collard tried to get out. Or was that him wanting to be weighed in case they could appeal the decision?

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Has to be one of the dullest races so far this season.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

Has to be one of the dullest races so far this season.

No it wasn't dull, I enjoyed it, there was enough going on up and down the field, though we could do with finding a way to kill the DRS trains.

 

[FishFright]

No it wasn't dull, I enjoyed it, there was enough going on up and down the field, though we could do with finding a way to kill the DRS trains.

I enjoyed it too.

The cars are so close in performance, bar RB, that DRS trains are pretty much guaranteed .

 

[figbat]

At one point the DRS train was about 12 carriages long.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

I'm not aiming this at anyone on here, but it is funny to read comments from people that previously got salty when people pointed out Hamilton had the fastest car rather than being the best driver, now saying the same about Max.

George seems to be managing better than Hamilton.

 

[Drago]

George had a decent day yesterday, did a much better job setting up his car than Ramilton, who is well known for making any excuse he can not to put in the similator time as he simply dislikes it.

I do wonder if Lewis can really be bothered any more. He seems to expect it all to be given to him while doing little to help himself. If he spent less time moaning to the media and used that time productively he might be jn a better position.

The habits of successful people - Max moans and groans with the best of them, but he does it to your face (well, not mine, hes not talking to me any more) and doesn't spend weeks afterwards raking over the coals to the media. If Lewis wants to get back on top he needs to be looking at his own habits and comparing them to those with currently more success than he and discarding anything that makes a demand on his time but which contributes nothing to success...like moaning.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

No it wasn't dull, I enjoyed it, there was enough going on up and down the field, though we could do with finding a way to kill the DRS trains.

I'll put up with the DRS trains if they promise to bin off the typical yank 'celeb' cobblers and tacky glitz they attached to the event.

It's about the teams, the car and the racing, not these people who need a banner flash to tell me who they are.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

I'll put up with the DRS trains if they promise to bin off the typical yank 'celeb' cobblers and tacky glitz they attached to the event.

It's about the teams, the car and the racing, not these people who need a banner flash to tell me who they are.

Its all about the show, OTT in Miami but the crowd was entertained.

 

[Drago]

To be fair, people moan about it being boring while singularly ignoring the sight of a F1 world champion at the height of his power carving through the pack and making them look like Sunday drivers.

We used to be thrilled when Hamilton, Vettel, Schumacher or Hakkinen started down the order and blitzed the opposition, yet when Verstappen does it its a boring race.

I think a lot of people have a chip on their shoulder over Verstappen due to the controversy of the final race of '21, completely ignoring the fact that he personally did nothing wrong that day.