Motorsports Thread

[Jody]

The second one had me scratching my head.

The cynic in me looks at Alonso in 3rd...

 

[Deleted member 26715]

May be the guy it's following the rules just to show the rules aren't right & need to change

 

[matticus]

I'm confused by this (not difficult): I thought a race could be red-flagged permanently, and the results declared as "A Race" as long as 75% distance had been covered? If below that, and they have to abandon e.g. due to darkness, then drivers only earn half points (not happened for decades, I think).
So If I'm right, there'd be no point in restarting just to run behidn the Safety Car for a couple of laps!

But I could be remembering rules that have long since been revised. And I didn't watch the race ...

 

[Alex321]

I'm confused by this (not difficult): I thought a race could be red-flagged permanently, and the results declared as "A Race" as long as 75% distance had been covered? If below that, and they have to abandon e.g. due to darkness, then drivers only earn half points (not happened for decades, I think).
So If I'm right, there'd be no point in restarting just to run behidn the Safety Car for a couple of laps!

But I could be remembering rules that have long since been revised. And I didn't watch the race ...

I thought the same, and as far as I can tell, those rules are still in place. Incidentally, the abandoned before 75% did happen in 2021, at Spa, and resulted in a change to the rules so that now at least tow laps have to be run in green flag conditions before any points can be awarded, and the points awarded for races abandoned after that vary according tio how much has been completed.

But it is still full points if 75% has been completed, so they certainly didn't need the farce of going backj out for 2 laps under the safety car at the end.

 

[Jody]

May be the guy it's following the rules just to show the rules aren't right & need to change

At least they followed the rules rather than making them up on the fly.

 

[figbat]

I'm confused by this (not difficult): I thought a race could be red-flagged permanently, and the results declared as "A Race" as long as 75% distance had been covered? If below that, and they have to abandon e.g. due to darkness, then drivers only earn half points (not happened for decades, I think).
So If I'm right, there'd be no point in restarting just to run behidn the Safety Car for a couple of laps!

But I could be remembering rules that have long since been revised. And I didn't watch the race ...

I think the difference is whether a race is red flagged and then abandoned vs red flagged and able to restart. The overriding principle is to complete race distance wherever possible. In this week's case it was possible to restart and it did have an impact on the outcome, since various cars were unable to restart after the previous restart.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

At least they followed the rules rather than making them up on the fly.

Is that the point he is trying to prove, he will adhere to the rules, which if they don't work as expected get changed, at least that way everybody knows where they are.

 

[Jenkins]

I'm confused by this (not difficult): I thought a race could be red-flagged permanently, and the results declared as "A Race" as long as 75% distance had been covered? If below that, and they have to abandon e.g. due to darkness, then drivers only earn half points (not happened for decades, I think).
So If I'm right, there'd be no point in restarting just to run behidn the Safety Car for a couple of laps!

But I could be remembering rules that have long since been revised. And I didn't watch the race ...

Correct, but Netflix and 'the show' seem to have become more important.

 

[Jody]

Is that the point he is trying to prove, he will adhere to the rules, which if they don't work as expected get changed, at least that way everybody knows where they are.

You'd hope they aren't point proving and just doing what the rules say they should be doing.

 

[Drago]

Massa is investigating whether, in light of new comments on the public record by Ecclestone, there may be grounds to overturn the result of the 2008 championship which he lost to Hamilton by a single point.

I doubt he'll get anywhere with it but I could I imagine Ramilton's sour expression if he were stripped of his very first title. If you think he moans now you ain't seen nothing yet! It's almost a shame that Massa won't succeed.

 

[icowden]

Massa is investigating whether, in light of new comments on the public record by Ecclestone, there may be grounds to overturn the result of the 2008 championship which he lost to Hamilton by a single point. I doubt he'll get anywhere with it but I could I imagine Ramilton's sour expression if he were stripped of his very first title. If you think he moans now you ain't seen nothing yet! It's almost a shame that Massa won't succeed.

I doubt that it would bother him. He seems very centred. I think it's a load of nonsense though. Ecclestone points out that there was a rule at the time:-

He told F1 Insider : "Back then, there was a rule that a world championship classification after the FIA awards ceremony at the end of the year was untouchable. So Hamilton was presented with the world championship and everything was fine.

So rules were followed. If the race were voided almost 15 years later it would be grossly unfair to Hamilton who had nothing to do with the cheating.
That said, Ecclestone and Mosley knew about it in 2009 so it seems a little bit late now...

This is my favourite line:-

"Today I would have arranged things differently. Michael Schumacher is still the sole record world champion, for me. Even if the statistics say otherwise."

Translation: "Yes, I'd have fixed the championship and I still think Schumacher is best even though Hamilton has broken all his records and not tried to win two WDCs by cheating".

In my book Hamilton won 8 WDCs (so far) but was robbed of one by another team cheating. Schumacher won 8 WDCs was stripped of one for cheating and got away with another.

 

[FishFright]

I'm confused by this (not difficult): I thought a race could be red-flagged permanently, and the results declared as "A Race" as long as 75% distance had been covered? If below that, and they have to abandon e.g. due to darkness, then drivers only earn half points (not happened for decades, I think).
So If I'm right, there'd be no point in restarting just to run behidn the Safety Car for a couple of laps!

But I could be remembering rules that have long since been revised. And I didn't watch the race ...

It was utterly pointless and took ages to sort out and all for nothing. Two laps behind the safety car would haver sufficed

 

[figbat]

I'd imagine that many seasons could be reviewed and the outcome altered if all cheating, negligence, corruption and/or plain incompetence were to be raked over. Lewis would have at least one more WDC and Max at least one fewer. Senna, for all his arrogance, was fighting against a corrupt Ballestre, who fancied Prost on the throne and engineered decisions to favour this outcome. And so on.

 

[FishFright]

I'd imagine that many seasons could be reviewed and the outcome altered if all cheating, negligence, corruption and/or plain incompetence were to be raked over. Lewis would have at least one more WDC and Max at least one fewer. Senna, for all his arrogance, was fighting against a corrupt Ballestre, who fancied Prost on the throne and engineered decisions to favour this outcome. And so on.

That was a shambles but Hamilton got given a few passes to keep him in the show last year and no doubt if roles were reversed Verstappen would have got the same treatment.

It's all about the show at the front nowadays.

Agree with you about Ballestre , that guy made Bernie look like angel.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

In my book Hamilton won 8 WDCs (so far) but was robbed of one by another team cheating.

Team? Is there a proven link between Masi, RB & his actions?