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derrick

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Jenkins said:
Or is it Formula 1 on water?
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(love that the website is f1h2o.com)
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Now your talking exciting. The offshore stuff is pretty amazing.
 
Jenkins

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Big weekend ahead for motorsport anoraks. Starting off in about 15 minutes (16:00 on Friday) with the World Endurance Championship and the 1000 miles/8 hours of Sebring (available on Eurosport), then on Saturday it's IMSA Sportscars and the 12 Hours of Sebring from about 14:00 (available on https://www.imsa.com/tvlive/) and finally the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix on Sunday from about 17:00 (available on Sky Sports F1 or BBC Radio 5Live)
 
Illaveago

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I thought Verstappen's breakdown yesterday seemed very strange ! The team said that it was a drive shaft ! From where and to where?
In normal terms it would be from the gearbox to a wheel and wouldn't have any effect on losing power. Unless there was a sensor which detected something amiss and shut the power down or a form of traction control .
 
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Seemed logical to me, you're sort of right it's differential to wheel, but as the differential on these are contained within the gearbox. As the shaft went there was an increase in engine revs as presumably that was the loaded wheel, then revs dropped as it sent drive to the other wheel. He was able to continue as by limiting the power it could send all the power to just the one wheel.

We had a similar experience when my son snapped the end off a driveshaft in my kit car, he was able to limp round the tack to get it into the pits if he took it very slowly.
 
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Phaeton said:
Seemed logical to me, you're sort of right it's differential to wheel, but as the differential on these are contained within the gearbox. As the shaft went there was an increase in engine revs as presumably that was the loaded wheel, then revs dropped as it sent drive to the other wheel. He was able to continue as by limiting the power it could send all the power to just the one wheel.

We had a similar experience when my son snapped the end off a driveshaft in my kit car, he was able to limp round the tack to get it into the pits if he took it very slowly.
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If they can do that then they could with some clever software make traction control.
It seems very odd that they can manage to have a car with low drag so they can be fast on the straights yet have good mechanical grip at slow speeds in the corners . The two things don't tally !
 
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It's because they've managed to exploit ground effect better than their rivals, so in most scenarios can run less wing. That gives them their high speed slipperiness ( (c) New Word, Drago Industries Inc. 2023) while maintaining decent grip. Their low speed handling would seem to be a well sorted suspension arrangement. Adrian Newey is almost supernaturally good at designing these things.
 
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Illaveago said:
If they can do that then they could with some clever software make traction control.
It seems very odd that they can manage to have a car with low drag so they can be fast on the straights yet have good mechanical grip at slow speeds in the corners . The two things don't tally !
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They do but if the physical link isn't there they can't do anything. In our case it was the splines that had sheared the may have suffered the same.
 
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Illaveago said:
Isn't it time that the FIA were replaced ? Last night's race turned into a complete farce !
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But the FIA is & has been run by Ferrari for a long time, why would you expect any different,

TBF I'm glad they are tightening up the rules, especially the race is between the white lines, I think they were also right about this one, just the execution of it, they didn't need 35 laps & the time after the presentation to come to a decision. As such I think they forfeited the right to change the result, Alonso stated had they known there was a penalty he would have gone faster, now whether that could have happened is another matter but by taking so long to make the decision they took away that option from AM.

I presume the rule says you cannot 'work' on the car in those 5 seconds, the question is, is putting a jack under the car & raising it to the point it's about to lift the car from the track 'working' or is it preparing to 'work'. It's interpretation & needs tightening up.
 
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Phaeton said:
But the FIA is & has been run by Ferrari for a long time, why would you expect any different,

TBF I'm glad they are tightening up the rules, especially the race is between the white lines, I think they were also right about this one, just the execution of it, they didn't need 35 laps & the time after the presentation to come to a decision. As such I think they forfeited the right to change the result, Alonso stated had they known there was a penalty he would have gone faster, now whether that could have happened is another matter but by taking so long to make the decision they took away that option from AM.

I presume the rule says you cannot 'work' on the car in those 5 seconds, the question is, is putting a jack under the car & raising it to the point it's about to lift the car from the track 'working' or is it preparing to 'work'. It's interpretation & needs tightening up.
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It was the first penalty which was petty ! He wasn't gaining any advantage not was he threatening Perez by placing his car at an angle . The last race was also a farce with Ocon instantly going into the pits for penalties. They seemed to penalise Alonso pretty quickly yet allowed both Red Bull drivers to cut across the corners without incurring a penalty .
 
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