metro article on helmets

[Norm]

Ah ok, do carry on then

You and I have done this too often, sir. We should just write "see my post of xxx and your follow up of 5 mins later and my response of 5 mins after that" then we could all just go for a coffee. No, it is coffee in those glasses, honestly.

 

[snorri]

Don't tell me that peace has broken out in a helmet thread after just seven pages.

OTOH perhaps it would be good if it has.

 

[col]

You and I have done this too often, sir. We should just write "see my post of xxx and your follow up of 5 mins later and my response of 5 mins after that" then we could all just go for a coffee. No, it is coffee in those glasses, honestly.

I believe you HIC !

 

[ufkacbln]

I've just said, I personally feel more vulnerable on the road as a cyclist than on the pavement away from cars.

As before - feeling vulnerable and being vulnerable aretwo different things.

Factually cycle paths and pavements are more dangerous than the road with more accidents and injuries occurring on these facilities.

One study in Milton Keynes showed an incident rate (accidents per million miles) of:

Main roads 47
Local roads 149
Cycle paths 319

So the accident rate is twice as high n pavements and cycle facilities than for local roads, and almost 6 times as many as for main roads.


Again your personal perception is perfectly valid for you, but does not bear out on a higher scale

 

[caimg]

I can totally appreciate those stats, are there similar ones for London floating about?

 

[MontyVeda]

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One study in Milton Keynes showed an incident rate (accidents per million miles) of:

Main roads 47
Local roads 149
Cycle paths 319

So the accident rate is twice as high n pavements and cycle facilities than for local roads, and almost 6 times as many as for main roads.

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I'd like to know what they class as an incident/accident? is it actual 'offs' or dog/child ran out and a cyclist swerved a bit?

 

[jefmcg]

Just as a datapoint: I commuted more than 5000 miles through London since last January, and have been involved in hundreds of (what felt like) near collisions, but only two actuall collisions, both with bikes on the same stretch of CS3 with a separated cycle lane that has cycles passing each other by a few inches.
Those figures seem very plausible.

 

[caimg]

Just as a datapoint: I commuted more than 5000 miles through London since last January, and have been involved in hundreds of (what felt like) near collisions, but only two actuall collisions, both with bikes on the same stretch of CS3 with a separated cycle lane that has cycles passing each other by a few inches.
Those figures seem very plausible.

Were you wearing a blonde wig?

 

[ufkacbln]

I'd like to know what they class as an incident/accident? is it actual 'offs' or dog/child ran out and a cyclist swerved a bit?

The study included "accident injuries" as recorded on Stats 19.

 

[benb]

As before - feeling vulnerable and being vulnerable aretwo different things.

Factually cycle paths and pavements are more dangerous than the road with more accidents and injuries occurring on these facilities.

One study in Milton Keynes showed an incident rate (accidents per million miles) of:

Main roads 47
Local roads 149
Cycle paths 319

So the accident rate is twice as high n pavements and cycle facilities than for local roads, and almost 6 times as many as for main roads.


Again your personal perception is perfectly valid for you, but does not bear out on a higher scale

That's fascinating. Don't suppose you've got a link to the study have you?

I sometimes use a shared use path when I'm in a "pootling" mood and don't want to mix it up with the traffic (40 limit dual carriageway).
I definitely feel safer on the path, although I have to be switched on at the junctions with side roads, and obviously when pedestrians are about.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

That's fascinating. Don't suppose you've got a link to the study have you?

I sometimes use a shared use path when I'm in a "pootling" mood and don't want to mix it up with the traffic (40 limit dual carriageway).
I definitely feel safer on the path, although I have to be switched on at the junctions with side roads, and obviously when pedestrians are about.

http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/research.html



Cycle path safety: A summary of research

This list is intended to be without bias, but little evidence has been found to suggest that cyclists are safer on paths than on roads. If you know of other research, please contact John Franklin.


Study of Milton Keynes Cycle Accidents, 1980 - 1990

Ketteridge. Milton Keynes Development Corporation, UK, 1991.
Includes one-month hospital survey which showed 14 cycle path accidents against 1 minor road accident and no major road accidents in equivalent area. All 3 serious accidents were cycle path. A further 15 cycle path accidents were not explained (possibly cycle/pedestrian).


Two decades of the Redway cycle paths of Milton Keynes

Franklin. Traffic Engineering + Control, 1999.
Full paper available on-line.
Analysis of the UK's largest purpose-built cycle path network and the consequences for cycle use and safety over two decades. Network has suppressed rather than encouraged cycling and has proved to be consistently less safe than the town's unrestricted main roads.
Injury accidents per million km cycled: main roads 31, local roads 149, cycle paths 166. All crashes: main roads 47, local roads 149, cycle paths 319.

 

[Red Light]

Ah ok, do carry on then

I see that while upbraiding people for not admitting helmets might help in some circumstances, you are unable to admit yourself that they might cause harm in others. Time to get your pot cleaner out methinks.


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[col]

I see that while upbraiding people for not admitting helmets might help in some circumstances, you are unable to admit yourself that they might cause harm in others. Time to get your pot cleaner out methinks.


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Your right, Iv only said the obvious that they can stop some injuries. So lets put this total and inexcusable thing Iv done right, they can also cause some injuries too. But I do believe very improbable injuries.
Is there anything else you want to jump on that I havnt said yet?

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Your right, Iv only said the obvious that they can stop some injuries. So lets put this total and inexcusable thing Iv done right, they can also cause some injuries too. But I do believe very improbable injuries.
Is there anything else you want to jump on that I havnt said yet?

"Improbable"?

http://www.bhsi.org/playgrou.htm

The Medical Journal of Australia has published a report from four doctors there who examined medical records for reports of children strangled by bicycle helmet straps.
They identified three cases of deaths from hanging between 2001 and 2010:

• a 2-year-old boy who was suspended by his helmet strap between a bunk bed and a wall
• a 3-year-old boy who was suspended by his helmet strap when he tried to climb out of a home window
• a 5-year-old boy who was suspended from an overhead clothesline while jumping on a trampoline

The authors conclude that:
These cases show that accidental hanging is still occurring among young children who wear bicycle helmets while engaging in activities other than bicycle riding.
The reference:
Bicycle helmets and accidental asphyxia in childhood
Roger W Byard, Allan Cala, Donald Ritchey and Noel Woodford
Medical Journal of Australia 2011; 194 (1): 49

 

[col]

"Improbable"?

http://www.bhsi.org/playgrou.htm

The Medical Journal of Australia has published a report from four doctors there who examined medical records for reports of children strangled by bicycle helmet straps.
They identified three cases of deaths from hanging between 2001 and 2010:

• a 2-year-old boy who was suspended by his helmet strap between a bunk bed and a wall
• a 3-year-old boy who was suspended by his helmet strap when he tried to climb out of a home window
• a 5-year-old boy who was suspended from an overhead clothesline while jumping on a trampoline

The authors conclude that:

These cases show that accidental hanging is still occurring among young children who wear bicycle helmets while engaging in activities other than bicycle riding.
The reference:
Bicycle helmets and accidental asphyxia in childhood
Roger W Byard, Allan Cala, Donald Ritchey and Noel Woodford
Medical Journal of Australia 2011; 194 (1): 49

Not really a good example, as its not while cycling. Tell you what , Ill add, with cyclists using it while cycling. Just in case you find an example of a cycling helmet falling from a van, and causing a motorcyclist to swerve and crash into a crowd of people who just happened to have been there at the time, then one of the crowd managing to jump out of the way, unfortunately into the path of an artic, who skillfully swerving to miss them hit an oncoming car. Tsk those bloody cycling helmets can be really bad for you