I expect you've all seen this. Driver tweets about a collision.

[swee'pea99]

Point is, they're not just 'mistakes', they're willful acts of the kind that put other people's lives at risk every day. And 2) is not enough. I'm sure she has 'learned from this'. Now for the others.

As far as I'm concerned, the vilification can't go too far - people like this should be made to suffer, and visibly, and as widely as possible. Then it might begin to lodge in what passes for the minds of all the selfish motorised pea-brains out there that if you behave in this way there may be consequences. And not just to other people, who you might maim or kill, but to you. Yes, you. So, think twice. Don't do it.

So she's having a hard time. Well boo friggin' hoo. Stick her in the stocks and pelt her with rotten veg, and keep doing it till word gets round.

 

[BSRU]

Crocodile tears

Only sorry for herself, no remorse at almost killing someone and driving off to tell everyone on the twittersphere(in her case twattersphere) about how good she has been

 

[redcard]

Is this still going? Am I the only one who is starting to find that this whole episode is leaving a bitter taste in the mouth?

Not the hit-and-run, not the tweet, but the pack mentality since with the scent of blood in their nostrils and baying for a kill?

Highlighting the story was correct in so far as bringing it to the attention of the police who's job it is to investigate and start the wheels of justice turning.

But the fact that this has degenerated into personal attacks on the lass - appearance, gender, almost gleeful suggestions that 'we' need to take it upon ourselves to inform her employer etc, clearly aching for - and rejoicing in - someone suffering a public humiliation in the national media; even if there is a fair amount of jest in there, this rolling thunder approach to such a soft, vulnerable, easily stereotyped target to me is a more pitiful commentary on society than the events themselves.

A young girl has made an extremely silly mistake - or more accurately, series of mistakes - which having now been highlighted will be dealt with accordingly. Why do people feel that the carcass needs to be picked clean?

1) Dumbass. 2) Hope she learns from this. 3) Move on.

Why not stop reading about it then? Simple.

No need to involve yourself in the story.

 

[ComedyPilot]

Point is, they're not just 'mistakes', they're willful acts of the kind that put other people's lives at risk every day. And 2) is not enough. I'm sure she has 'learned from this'. Now for the others.

As far as I'm concerned, the vilification can't go too far - people like this should be made to suffer, and visibly, and as widely as possible. Then it might begin to lodge in what passes for the minds of all the selfish motorised pea-brains out there that if you behave in this way there may be consequences. And not just to other people, who you might maim or kill, but to you. Yes, you. So, think twice. Don't do it.

So she's having a hard time. Well boo friggin' hoo. Stick her in the stocks and pelt her with rotten veg, and keep doing it till word gets round.

Post of the week for me

 

[machew]

“What do you think the eventual outcome of the Norwich Police’s investigation into this incident will be?”
Place your bets now:

• 100:1 - Emma will be charged & successfully prosecuted for dangerous driving & leaving the scene of an accident. She gets a prison sentence, and is banned from driving.
• 66:1 - Convicted of dangerous driving & leaving the scene of an accident. She gets points on her license, and does community service.
• 30:1 - Charged as above, but the court accepts her plea of careless driving or driving without due care & attention. She gets points on her license & does community service.
• 25:1 - Charged & successfully prosecuted for careless driving. She gets points on her license & does community service.
• 10:1 - Charged with any driving offence, and found guilty, but gets a conditional discharge (i.e. no punishment) due to her “previously good character”.
• 8:1 - Charged with a driving offence, but the CPS deem there is insufficient evidence to take it to court.
• 8:1 - Found not guilty. She successfully sues Toby Hockley for the damage to her car.
• 5:1 - Interviewed by the police, who decide that a caution is the best way to deal with the situation.
• 5:1 - Interviewed by the police, who decide that their hands are tied. The best they can do is advise Toby to seek a “local resolution“. As part of this, EmmaWay20 reinstates her Twitter account, and tweets, “Sooooo sorry that I knocked you off your bike Toby. xxxxx I’m still ROFL”
• 1:1 (even money) - Her employers, Larking Gowan conduct a disciplinary investigation and find that she’s committed gross misconduct in bringing them into disrepute. They dismiss her without notice.

(Shamelessly stolen from
http://karlmccracken.sweat365.com/2013/05/21/place-your-bets-please/)

 

[hopless500]

“What do you think the eventual outcome of the Norwich Police’s investigation into this incident will be?”
Place your bets now:

• 100:1 - Emma will be charged & successfully prosecuted for dangerous driving & leaving the scene of an accident. She gets a prison sentence, and is banned from driving.
• 66:1 - Convicted of dangerous driving & leaving the scene of an accident. She gets points on her license, and does community service.
• 30:1 - Charged as above, but the court accepts her plea of careless driving or driving without due care & attention. She gets points on her license & does community service.
• 25:1 - Charged & successfully prosecuted for careless driving. She gets points on her license & does community service.
• 10:1 - Charged with any driving offence, and found guilty, but gets a conditional discharge (i.e. no punishment) due to her “previously good character”.
• 8:1 - Charged with a driving offence, but the CPS deem there is insufficient evidence to take it to court.
• 8:1 - Found not guilty. She successfully sues Toby Hockley for the damage to her car.
• 5:1 - Interviewed by the police, who decide that a caution is the best way to deal with the situation.
• 5:1 - Interviewed by the police, who decide that their hands are tied. The best they can do is advise Toby to seek a “local resolution“. As part of this, EmmaWay20 reinstates her Twitter account, and tweets, “Sooooo sorry that I knocked you off your bike Toby. xxxxx I’m still ROFL”
• 1:1 (even money) - Her employers, Larking Gowan conduct a disciplinary investigation and find that she’s committed gross misconduct in bringing them into disrepute. They dismiss her without notice.

(Shamelessly stolen from

http://karlmccracken.sweat365.com/2013/05/21/place-your-bets-please/)

I'll go for 8:1 CPS!

 

[slowmotion]

“What do you think the eventual outcome of the Norwich Police’s investigation into this incident will be?”
Place your bets now:

• 100:1 - Emma will be charged & successfully prosecuted for dangerous driving & leaving the scene of an accident. She gets a prison sentence, and is banned from driving.
• 66:1 - Convicted of dangerous driving & leaving the scene of an accident. She gets points on her license, and does community service.
• 30:1 - Charged as above, but the court accepts her plea of careless driving or driving without due care & attention. She gets points on her license & does community service.
• 25:1 - Charged & successfully prosecuted for careless driving. She gets points on her license & does community service.
• 10:1 - Charged with any driving offence, and found guilty, but gets a conditional discharge (i.e. no punishment) due to her “previously good character”.
• 8:1 - Charged with a driving offence, but the CPS deem there is insufficient evidence to take it to court.
• 8:1 - Found not guilty. She successfully sues Toby Hockley for the damage to her car.
• 5:1 - Interviewed by the police, who decide that a caution is the best way to deal with the situation.
• 5:1 - Interviewed by the police, who decide that their hands are tied. The best they can do is advise Toby to seek a “local resolution“. As part of this, EmmaWay20 reinstates her Twitter account, and tweets, “Sooooo sorry that I knocked you off your bike Toby. xxxxx I’m still ROFL”
• 1:1 (even money) - Her employers, Larking Gowan conduct a disciplinary investigation and find that she’s committed gross misconduct in bringing them into disrepute. They dismiss her without notice.

(Shamelessly stolen from

http://karlmccracken.sweat365.com/2013/05/21/place-your-bets-please/)

You ought to start a poll on CC.

 

[ComedyPilot]

The CPS wouldn't do that. They'd either charge to court or not.

 

[Risex4]

Point is, they're not just 'mistakes', they're willful acts of the kind that put other people's lives at risk every day. And 2) is not enough. I'm sure she has 'learned from this'. Now for the others.

As far as I'm concerned, the vilification can't go too far - people like this should be made to suffer, and visibly, and as widely as possible. Then it might begin to lodge in what passes for the minds of all the selfish motorised pea-brains out there that if you behave in this way there may be consequences. And not just to other people, who you might maim or kill, but to you. Yes, you. So, think twice. Don't do it.

So she's having a hard time. Well boo friggin' hoo. Stick her in the stocks and pelt her with rotten veg, and keep doing it till word gets round.

So, essentially, your point is that this person should be made an example of to carry the burden of all drivers' misdemeanors?

Your fury is wrongfully aimed. Instead of looking to address the real and wider problems of education, understanding, attitude and enforcement, you are happy to just hang it all one singular, solitary product of the system in what amounts to the modern day version of the pillory? As sickeningly easy as it'll be utterly futile.

I'm not saying that it was intrinsically incorrect to publicize the wrong-doing in the first place, but that "the vilification can't go far enough" is disproportionate, simply short sighted and a ultimately a waste of energy in my own opinion. You really think simply flaming this girl to charcoal will change the wider public opinion? That "drivers" will get the message because of this?

All I'm starting to see is a bunch of cyclists being holier-than-thou who, rather than constructively engaging in a debate to be had here, are simply relishing in the act of catching out "on of them"; parading the quarry back to the campsite in shackles whilst they don warpaint and prance around the campfire doing some kind of ritual dance.

And I'm a cyclist.

Why not stop reading about it then? Simple.

No need to involve yourself in the story.

I'm no longer reading about a young girl involved in a hit and run who then made the incalculably stupid move of "bragging" about it on Twitter.

I'm reading about a pack of wolves piling in to rip one lamb apart whilst the flock get away.

 

[glenn forger]

So, essentially, your point is that this person should be made an example of to carry the burden of all drivers' misdemeanors?

.

No, nobody said that, or anything like it.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

So, essentially, your point is that this person should be made an example of to carry the burden of all drivers' misdemeanors?

Your fury is wrongfully aimed. Instead of looking to address the real and wider problems of education, understanding, attitude and enforcement, you are happy to just hang it all one singular, solitary product of the system in what amounts to the modern day version of the pillory? As sickeningly easy as it'll be utterly futile.

I'm not saying that it was intrinsically incorrect to publicize the wrong-doing in the first place, but that "the vilification can't go far enough" is disproportionate, simply short sighted and a ultimately a waste of energy in my own opinion. You really think simply flaming this girl to charcoal will change the wider public opinion? That "drivers" will get the message because of this?

All I'm starting to see is a bunch of cyclists being holier-than-thou who, rather than constructively engaging in a debate to be had here, are simply relishing in the act of catching out "on of them"; parading the quarry back to the campsite in shackles whilst they don warpaint and prance around the campfire doing some kind of ritual dance.

And I'm a cyclist.



I'm no longer reading about a young girl involved in a hit and run who then made the incalculably stupid move of "bragging" about it on Twitter.

I'm reading about a pack of wolves piling in to rip one lamb apart whilst the flock get away.

Exemplary sentencing, you've heard of it? But please, not a lifetime's worth of car immunity service - which is what I fear will happen after the lawyers have taken their cut.

 

[glenn forger]

She said she didn't stop because the cyclist, who she couldn't see, wasn't visibly hurt.

She said she wasn't sure there had been a collision, but her tweet said "Definitely hit a cyclist".

She's learned nothing from this. I cycle to work on roads she may well drive on.

 

[snorri]

A young girl has made an extremely silly mistake - or more accurately, series of mistakes - which having now been highlighted will be dealt with accordingly. Why do people feel that the carcass needs to be picked clean?

Perhaps because it is not unusual in the UK to hear of cases in which "dealt with accordingly" results in little more than a smacked wrist for a defendant who has been at the wheel of a motor vehicle.
Good reason then for the "people" to get the knife in just in case the legal system disappoints once again.

 

[glenn forger]

Besides, at the moment we have no idea whether it will be "dealt with accordingly". The dozy twazzock still hasn't been charged
with anything.

 

[Risex4]

Exemplary sentencing, you've heard of it?

Well yes. But it is not the duty of the cycling 'community' or anyone else to decide the nature of the sentence, or even whether an exemplary sentence in this instance would be constructive or appropriate.

Perhaps because it is not unusual in the UK to hear of cases in which "dealt with accordingly" results in little more than a smacked wrist for a defendant who has been at the wheel of a motor vehicle.
Good reason then for the "people" to get the knife in just in case the legal system disappoints once again.

As I have said then, people's angers are misdirected.

If there is to be movement towards any form of reconciliation in conflict, one side has to be prepared to actually move. If both just stand off taking shots at each other and rejoicing in their fleeting victories, then stalemate ensues.

These "round up the yokels, pitch forks at the ready, lets met out our own justice" witch hunts are no better psychologically than punishment passes.