Nice to have the concise summary of the Rodger Geffen article posted by mcshroom
Helmets why doesn't everyone wear them?
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growingvegetables
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Dearie me – the fundies are out in force today
Airbags, vehicle brake systems, crumple zones, seat belts – all highly designed and engineered, manufactured and installed to extremely high standards of precision and effectiveness.
And people insist that cycle helmets should be considered on the same basis? That is just bonkers, misguided, deluded. Whatever.
Another analogy.
Pop down to your local Asda, and head for the egg counter. Stand and watch for five minutes – and what's the first thing most shoppers do? Pick up the egg carton, open it, and check none of the eggs are broken.
Best done late in the day – on a bad one, you may have to open half a dozen “egg safety devices”, before you find “an expanded polystyrene liner intended to crush” that has actually done what was expected of it.
Bottom line - if you choose to wear a helmet, that's fine by me. For whatever reason rocks your boat. But please – don't try to preach at me, without any reliable/viable evidence.
Rob3rt
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Your eggs come in expanded polystyrene? Mine tend to some in a shoot paper/cardboard that looks like it is made of paper mulch! I buy Happy Eggs, because the packet says they are happy, the yellow cardboard reflects that!
Peter Armstrong
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Dearie me – the fundies are out in force today
Airbags, vehicle brake systems, crumple zones, seat belts – all highly designed and engineered, manufactured and installed to extremely high standards of precision and effectiveness.
And people insist that cycle helmets should be considered on the same basis? That is just bonkers, misguided, deluded. Whatever.
Another analogy.
Pop down to your local Asda, and head for the egg counter. Stand and watch for five minutes – and what's the first thing most shoppers do? Pick up the egg carton, open it, and check none of the eggs are broken.
Best done late in the day – on a bad one, you may have to open half a dozen “egg safety devices”, before you find “an expanded polystyrene liner intended to crush” that has actually done what was expected of it.
Bottom line - if you choose to wear a helmet, that's fine by me. For whatever reason rocks your boat. But please – don't try to preach at me, without any reliable/viable evidence.
Ha Ha love the comparison between a 2p egg box and a safety helmet that has in fact be extensively researched, designed and tested to protect your head against a blunt force.
I Might as well put an egg box on my head then.
Of course it all depends on the accepted level of testing, EN is a lot less than Snell.
mrandmrspoves
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I guess that's not completely true?
You probably also perceive the risk to yourself as being extremely small and the efficacy of a helmet in reducing the risk of suffering a head injury to be even smaller?
I'm not wishing to put words into your mouth (and if you feel I am, I apologise now!)......but if you perceived yourself to be at significant risk and believed that helmets might mitigate that risk it would be foolish not to wear one on the grounds of it looking rubbish - as sitting in a wheel chair, dribbling following a head injury would look even more rubbish.
......and as with so many Cycle Chat threads - that is why there are 2 opposed views - we all have different perceptions, belief systems and values. (and some of us just love a good row!)
Yes, it is true.
Oh yes, that, and that cycling isn't dangerous.
If i was MTB'ing or racing then yes then I would probably wear one. But as I don't.. then there is no need.
growingvegetables
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"Helmet's do look rubbish.
That's why I don't wear one"
Have you ever seen a serious head injury - they don,t look very cool either.
lots of people saying I,m stupid - not one saying why.
am I wrong that if you give your self brain damage you won,t get help from nhs and disability allowances from the state , - which we all have to pay for.
the bit about safety device on cars (which have all been objected to before they became standard and can kill you quite easily- air bags can and do kill, safety belts - can kill)
my point being if you object to a safety device on your bike - head- why arn,t you objecting to them on cars. -
so I say again - what reason is their for not wearing a helmet.
you have to wear protective clothing/helmet/high vis jacket in work (if in a dangerous environment)
you surround yourself in safety devices in your car
yet you think you are magically safe on a bike
look at how many motorcyclist get killed and they are far better protected than your average cyclist.
If a cycle helmet is no better than an egg box, thats still better than no protection at all.
I have had to deal with serious head injuries and roadside death - I did not enjoy it
why should you have to put some poor sod through that because your arrogant and reckless.
thats what I mean by selfish.
That's why I don't wear one"
Have you ever seen a serious head injury - they don,t look very cool either.
lots of people saying I,m stupid - not one saying why.
am I wrong that if you give your self brain damage you won,t get help from nhs and disability allowances from the state , - which we all have to pay for.
the bit about safety device on cars (which have all been objected to before they became standard and can kill you quite easily- air bags can and do kill, safety belts - can kill)
my point being if you object to a safety device on your bike - head- why arn,t you objecting to them on cars. -
so I say again - what reason is their for not wearing a helmet.
you have to wear protective clothing/helmet/high vis jacket in work (if in a dangerous environment)
you surround yourself in safety devices in your car
yet you think you are magically safe on a bike
look at how many motorcyclist get killed and they are far better protected than your average cyclist.
If a cycle helmet is no better than an egg box, thats still better than no protection at all.
I have had to deal with serious head injuries and roadside death - I did not enjoy it
why should you have to put some poor sod through that because your arrogant and reckless.
thats what I mean by selfish.
Peter Armstrong
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Blunt force, as in it would not stop a knife being plunged into your head because its not blunt.
Yeah, they put egg in them then leave them in asda of course!!!
Peter Armstrong
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Whats then then, bend over leaning to the left?
Peter Armstrong
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Or is the position of ignorance to the right I forget?
Rob3rt
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Licramite, you don't half talk a load of shite!
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