Having to wear a helmet to do a sportive

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jimboalee

New Member
Location
Solihull
Here is a test you could try yourself, press your head hard against a normal road surface, keeping it pressed there walk along at say 5mph for 10 feet, now try doing the same with an helmet on. Now I know this test is not scientific and I am not wanting to be the person that does it.

Can I ask just as a matter of interest of course, does anyone who does not wear a helmet do the lottery?

I must say that I am all for freedom of choice and I wear a helmet.

What you are describing is similar to the 'wheelbarrow race' accident on a gritted roadsurface. The over jealous chap holding your ankles runs too fast and you lose your arms and go crashing down forehead first onto the tarmac.
The argument here is the wearing of a helmet would have saved you a lifelong scar.

The main reason cyclists wear leather mittens is to stop grit being pushed into the palm of the hand when a fall occurs. At speeds of 20mph, can it be guaranteed that the cyclist can outstretch his hand and perform a judo roll when falling off ( or being knocked off ) his bike. Probably not with clipless pedals.

The helmet can't be proved to be a 'lifesaver', but I'd rather keep my good looks if my head bounces on the pavement. :smile:
 

jimboalee

New Member
Location
Solihull
What you are describing is similar to the 'wheelbarrow race' accident on a gritted roadsurface. The over jealous chap holding your ankles runs too fast and you lose your arms and go crashing down forehead first onto the tarmac.
The argument here is the wearing of a helmet would have saved you a lifelong scar.

The main reason cyclists wear leather mittens is to stop grit being pushed into the palm of the hand when a fall occurs. At speeds of 20mph, can it be guaranteed that the cyclist can outstretch his hand and perform a judo roll when falling off ( or being knocked off ) his bike. Probably not with clipless pedals.

The helmet can't be proved to be a 'lifesaver', but I'd rather keep my good looks if my head bounces on the pavement. :smile:

Interestingly, my head has bounced on the ice at Solihull Ice Rink. I woke up in the medical room about fifteen minutes later ( which seemed like 0.001 second to me ).
More interestingly, my head bounced on the sidewalk after being knocked off my bike during my LEJOG attempt in 2006. My left elbow was broken and I definitely remember the thud of plastic on cement slab.
 

rich p

ridiculous old lush
Location
Brighton
I wasn't going to get involved in this as nobody ever changes their mind through and because of these threads, so the whole exercise is one of entrenchment. Live and let live is the way to look at the issue.

For what it's worth, I wear a helmet sometimes, I don't at others; I ride thousands of miles touring up and down mountains without one and sometimes wear one going into town.
Illogical perhaps. The only persuasive argument I have found in favour of helmet wearing is that my kids of 27 &29 both cycle commute in London and I'm glad that they wear helmets. Make what you will of that!
 

Fiona N

Veteran
I wasn't going to get involved in this as nobody ever changes their mind through and because of these threads, so the whole exercise is one of entrenchment. Live and let live is the way to look at the issue.

For what it's worth, I wear a helmet sometimes, I don't at others; I ride thousands of miles touring up and down mountains without one and sometimes wear one going into town.

I think that pretty much sums up my approach - I always wear a helmet mountain biking for the simple reason that falls are mainly (for me, anyway) low speed where a helmet might actually do some good. Likewise, when learning to ride my recumbent bike, I wore a helmet for the first few weeks as I had a tendency to fall sideways while stationary so there was always the possibility that I'd clonk by head on a pavement or road furniture (although helmet wearers, please note, helmets are only any good at absorbing shock of hitting a flat surface and invariably fail when hitting a shaped object due mainly to the air vents). I often wear a helmet when I going to be around loads of other riders of unknown skill level - my only serious injuries have come from an idiot amateur racer (on a bike) taking out my front wheel in a badly judged overtaking manoevre in a mass start race (and still I didn't hit my head).

On the road, all my big accidents have involved cars/trucks and not my head (plus, I should add, I have a long history of parachuting - before the days of standing landings when learning a 'para roll' was de rigeur, climbing, bouldering, martial arts etc. all of which tend to emphasise knowing how to fall) so although I acknowledge that a helmet might save me some superficial wounds in the event of, say, clipping the pavement with a pedal a la Lance, I am confident that it wouldn't do anything to 'save my life' in the event of a collision with a car.

So it's thousands of hours of lidless comfort and possibly minor wounds v. thousands of hours of sweating under the helmet, finding somewhere to put it in the cinema/restaurant/meeting, trying not to drop it (they're so flimsy dropping them will damage them to a state of uselessness - expensive) and then what - saves me a couple of stitiches - no deal:biggrin:
 

jimboalee

New Member
Location
Solihull
I think that pretty much sums up my approach - I always wear a helmet mountain biking for the simple reason that falls are mainly (for me, anyway) low speed where a helmet might actually do some good. Likewise, when learning to ride my recumbent bike, I wore a helmet for the first few weeks as I had a tendency to fall sideways while stationary so there was always the possibility that I'd clonk by head on a pavement or road furniture (although helmet wearers, please note, helmets are only any good at absorbing shock of hitting a flat surface and invariably fail when hitting a shaped object due mainly to the air vents). I often wear a helmet when I going to be around loads of other riders of unknown skill level - my only serious injuries have come from an idiot amateur racer (on a bike) taking out my front wheel in a badly judged overtaking manoevre in a mass start race (and still I didn't hit my head).

On the road, all my big accidents have involved cars/trucks and not my head (plus, I should add, I have a long history of parachuting - before the days of standing landings when learning a 'para roll' was de rigeur, climbing, bouldering, martial arts etc. all of which tend to emphasise knowing how to fall) so although I acknowledge that a helmet might save me some superficial wounds in the event of, say, clipping the pavement with a pedal a la Lance, I am confident that it wouldn't do anything to 'save my life' in the event of a collision with a car.

So it's thousands of hours of lidless comfort and possibly minor wounds v. thousands of hours of sweating under the helmet, finding somewhere to put it in the cinema/restaurant/meeting, trying not to drop it (they're so flimsy dropping them will damage them to a state of uselessness - expensive) and then what - saves me a couple of stitiches - no deal:biggrin:

My Mom never wore a helmet in her sixty five years of cycling. She much prefered a headscarf.
The day will come, Fiona.....;)
 

jeltz

Veteran
No specialist knowledge on sportives but my martial arts teacher states that full protective equipment must be worn during sparring and tournaments, he's not fussed but his insurance company are and wont cover any claims if the participants were found not to be wearing the "right kit".

Whether there is much protection given is debatable but it does give an avenue for a loss adjuster to try and wriggle out of paying a claim if one occurs.

Disclaimers might (or might not) cover the organisers but if there was a fatality its entirely possible that grieving relatives would try testing the validity of them in court, which could cost the organisers all sorts of inconvenience and money even if totally exonerated of any liability.

Irrespective of an organisers view on whether or not helmets are beneficial it is almost certainly easier, and probably more sensible, to say ride with a lid or don't ride.
 

4F

Active member of Helmets Are Sh*t Lobby
Location
Suffolk.
Here is a test you could try yourself, press your head hard against a normal road surface, keeping it pressed there walk along at say 5mph for 10 feet, now try doing the same with an helmet on. Now I know this test is not scientific and I am not wanting to be the person that does it.

Can I ask just as a matter of interest of course, does anyone who does not wear a helmet do the lottery?

I must say that I am all for freedom of choice and I wear a helmet.


Do the same test wearing a saucepan and a scooped out water melon and compare the result ?

I don't think that anyone disagrees that a helmet could prevent road rash but when did road rash kill anyone ?

Non helmet wearer since 1965
 

4F

Active member of Helmets Are Sh*t Lobby
Location
Suffolk.
Hey, snap!!

Although I'm tempted by the saucepan and melon headgear, suppose it'd have to be a watermelon wouldn't it, cantaloupe could be a bit snug?


It's a new concept I am designing, Vegetable helmets I am on Dragons Den next week

Here is my model all ready to go
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