Has your helmet saved your life poll

[david k]

I want people to stop trying to imply that people should wear helmets "just in case" when the evidence that they are effective is lacking.

Thats fine, but your not actually doing that benb, your questioning why I wear one, there is a clear difference, whether you wish to infer my decision implies indirectly or otherwise that others should or not is no justification.

 

[david k]

No, I made my decision on the basis that the evidence showed that they were not significantly effective, and I preferred not to.

You're right, I don't support your reasons for wearing one, but I do support your right to wear one.

The way it read clearly showed you preferred not to wear one and therefore didnt, the evidence was secondary

 

[david k]

The last thing we need is more safety equipment for young male drivers - they are reckless enough as it is.
I think we should install a metal spike in the steering wheel - that would reduce RTCs significantly - FACT!

quite a leap of faith that benb, not one i support.

If your views are truely that young male drivers should have spikes on the steering wheel it should be of no surprise that we cannot even reach some common ground on cycle helmet use

 

[david k]

And the any contribution point equally applies to pedestrians but still the complete unwillingness to think this one through.

not at all, as said previously many times i (we) dont feel the risk is significant enough to wear a cycling helmet when walking. The worse this can do is prove we are hypocritical, it does not prove helmets are useless or not. In fact if the best reason to suggest you shouldnt wear a helmet when cycling is that you are a hypocrite means you have very little substance in your argument

unkless you really believe wearing a helmet for pedastrians is worthy, then go ahead and wear one

 

[david k]

What it actually shows is that you are impervious to facts.

Are these the facts that are generally considered inconclusive either way?
Does this equally show you are impervious to trusting your own thoughts and reasoning?

It certainly shows youd rather put your faith in facts that are inconclusive than trust your own thoughts.

 

[david k]

There is a massive difference between inconclusive and dismissable out of hand.

True, but it still shows you have more faith in inconclusive stats than your own reasoning

 

[mickle]

... pro helmet evidence ...

Did you manage to find some?!? Oh goody.

 

[green1]

As Drago, David K and i have said - ANY contribution a helmet may offer is better than none.

Including increased torsional and rotational injuries?

Ski Helmet

Nice and round so if it hits the ground it isn't going to force your head to rotate (also notice no snag points).

Motorcycling Helmet

Again nice and round and no snag points.

Cycling helmet

Err...

 

[david k]

Pedrosanchezo had demonstrated on more than one occasion that he's not very bright...

Why have you resorted to insults?

 

[david k]

Including increased torsional and rotational injuries?

Ski Helmet

Nice and round so if it hits the ground it isn't going to force your head to rotate (also notice no snag points).

Motorcycling Helmet

Again nice and round and no snag points.

Cycling helmet

Err...

your point being?

 

[green1]

your point being?

My point being I'd rather have a dunt to the head the suffer a torsional or rotational injury. The skull is able to cope with a dunt far higher than either of those.

 

[david k]

How many times are you intending to go round and round with this one? The stats may not be conclusive but they beat your reasoning hands down every day which, if it is reasoning at all and not intuition or similar, has to be based on some information. You have not got any information source better than those inconclusive stats.

You have firmly made up ypur mind that wearing a helmet is not relevant safety precaution, you have put your faith in inconclusive stats. There is nothing I could do, say or show you that would make you change your mind other than conclusive statistics that they work, and we all know there will never be any conclusive stats either way.

After all of this I still believe they are a benefit, and I'm not sure why you keep pushing me for proof as to my belief, it is my belief after all and needs no justification to you or anybody else. That is what you would call, freedom of choice, yet you dont practice it, this is hypocritical

 

[david k]

My point being I'd rather have a dunt to the head the suffer a torsional or rotational injury. The skull is able to cope with a dunt far higher than either of those.

Oh I see, so you consider the risk of injury to be greater when wearing a helmet than not wearing a helmet. Did you rely on stats to prove this?

 

[david k]

You have lost sight of it. We were not discussing why you wear a helmet, we were discussing why you advocate helmet for cycling but don't advocate helmet for pedestianing when the evidence is that the risks are comparable.

Are we? So you have no interest in cycle helmets, only why peds dont wear them? and I've lost sight of it?

Come on Adrian we have done this over and over.

Even if proven all you will have managed to do is make me out to be a hypocrite, this argument does nothing to suggest cycling helmets do not work.

Is this really your best argument to convince me not to wear a helmet?

 

[david k]

One more time, I am not trying to persuade you not to wear a helmet. The best I am hoping for is that you might have a bit of a think before telling anyone else that they should wear one. I would also like you to accept that they exist as a very poor solution to an almost non existent problem. Convince you not to wear one though, no that would be way beyond my capability.

Where have I told somebody else to wear one? This is why I have referred a few times to paranioa, may sound over the top but I do feel you and others are over defensive when there is no need to be.
I know helmets limits, I know my own limits, it is what it is, i make my choice based on my beliefs and what happens happens. Hope i never get to prove my beliefs right, or worse still, wrong