Has your helmet saved your life poll

[david k]

How many times do we have to tell you "you can't prove a negative".

The evidence is not flawed - it shows quite clearly that helmets do no significantly reduce your risk of a head injury.

so if you cannot prove they dont work, those who wear them cannot prove they do, what is it you want?

 

[Theseus]

so if you cannot prove they dont work, those who wear them cannot prove they do, what is it you want?

Me, I'd like people to stop telling me I should wear one or else I deserve to end up in bed drinking soup through a straw with my brains scrambled.

 

[david k]

. Seeing as I found cycling much more pleasurable without, I decided helmets were unnecessary.

So you made your decision based on preferring not to wear one

Yet you don't support my decision for wearing one as I prefer to

 

[david k]

Me, I'd like people to stop telling me I should wear one or else I deserve to end up in bed drinking soup through a straw with my brains scrambled.

As my posts are in direct response to being asked to justify why I chose to wear one your reply is irrelevant to the current thread of posts.

Maybe you would be better replying to posts or threads referring to compulsion, advice or being informed to wear a helme,t which this of course is not

 

[david k]

[QUOTE 2192871, member: 1314"]Study shows: Driving is five times more dangerous than cycling for young men

Dr Mindell said: "This research dispels the idea that risk for UK cyclists is substantially higher than for drivers or pedestrians, and hopefully will encourage more people to take up something which is not only good for health, but also the environment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ore-dangerous-than-cycling-for-young-men.html

Helmets for young male drivers, then?[/quote]

Why? do you seriously think cycle helmets would help young drivers of cars?

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

How many times do we have to tell you "you can't prove a negative".

The evidence is not flawed - it shows quite clearly that helmets do no significantly reduce your risk of a head injury.

This is just not true. There is stacks of evidence out there, pro and con. Putting "significantly" in that sentence is very sneaky. Even for you.

As Drago, David K and i have said - ANY contribution a helmet may offer is better than none. On that LOGICAL basis we may choose to wear a helmet.

 

[Theseus]

As my posts are in direct response to being asked to justify why I chose to wear one your reply is irrelevant to the current thread of posts.

Maybe you would be better replying to posts or threads referring to compulsion, advice or being informed to wear a helme,t which this of course is not

Go to PM then with your chosen correspondant. You posted on an open forum, so I responded to the question as asked.

Live with it.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

[QUOTE 2192871, member: 1314"]Study shows: Driving is five times more dangerous than cycling for young men

Dr Mindell said: "This research dispels the idea that risk for UK cyclists is substantially higher than for drivers or pedestrians, and hopefully will encourage more people to take up something which is not only good for health, but also the environment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ore-dangerous-than-cycling-for-young-men.html

Helmets for young male drivers, then?[/quote]
If they want to. That is a risk they will have to evaluate themselves instead of taking as gospel everything they read in the telegraph.

 

[Alun]

And the truely offensive stuff reportedly said by Mrs Licramite, accepting that such a person exists, to the effect that cyclists without helmets deserve to fall off and injure their heads to teach them a lesson.

Well, I hope she gets struck by a meteorite !

 

[srw]

If you could at least admit that some evidence shows a helmet can be effective (to some extent) then we could discard the notion that helmet users do not base their decision on logic.

Some evidence also shows that prayer is an effective treatment for cancer. And that homoeopathic medicines are a more effective treatment than a placebo.

 

[Dan B]

Why? do you seriously think cycle helmets would help young drivers of cars?

Motorsport drivers wear them. There's no evidence to say they wouldn't help

 

[srw]

"In general". Sums it up really.

OK - let's get personal. You are terrible at assessing risk. I'm better than average because I've been trained, but I'm still terrible.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

I said I strive to remove my filters and prejudices. It's not always easy, and I'm not perfect.

Taking the whole body of evidence, which is what we must do in science, we can see that the effectiveness of helmets is unproven.

Would it interest you to know that I used to always wear a helmet, because I though that it stood to reason that they must be of some effectiveness in reducing injuries. Otherwise why would they be sold? Then I looked at the evidence, which showed that they do not significantly affect your chances of a head injury. Seeing as I found cycling much more pleasurable without, I decided helmets were unnecessary.

That is very reasoned response. A decision based on stats and opinion, acting on the information the way you see fit and applying it to your life. Most of us on here are doing that. Where we seem to be differing is the following question.....

Is the small chance a helmet may help reduce injury or death, significant enough to justify wearing one? The answer to this is not factual. It is from perspective and opinion.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

OK - let's get personal. You are terrible at assessing risk. I'm better than average because I've been trained, but I'm still terrible.

Why get personal? You have no idea how effective i am at risk assessment. Kind of the point isn't it?

 

[srw]

Why get personal? You have no idea how effective i am at risk assessment. Kind of the point isn't it?

Yes I do. You've done a lot of risk assessment in this thread. Very badly.