Has your helmet saved your life poll

[david k]

Long back you said that you would like to be able to make your friend wear one and that you do make your kids, or have I got that wrong?

and I remember you told me to fxxk off
However, there have been 1,000s of posts on these threads and to help clarify everyones position you started an 'agenda' thread. I suggest you use it for the intended purpose and review my feelings at your next convenience.

 

[benb]

The way it read clearly showed you preferred not to wear one and therefore didnt, the evidence was secondary

Nope, the other way around.

 

[benb]

quite a leap of faith that benb, not one i support.

If your views are truely that young male drivers should have spikes on the steering wheel it should be of no surprise that we cannot even reach some common ground on cycle helmet use

Who ordered the sense of humour bypass for David?

 

[benb]

You have firmly made up ypur mind that wearing a helmet is not relevant safety precaution, you have put your faith in inconclusive stats. There is nothing I could do, say or show you that would make you change your mind other than conclusive statistics that they work, and we all know there will never be any conclusive stats either way.

Rubbish! If helmets are effective we can test for that. We have, and the evidence is lacking. Just like with any other public health intervention, if you cannot show that they are effective then there can be no imperative to implement the intervention.

After all of this I still believe they are a benefit, and I'm not sure why you keep pushing me for proof as to my belief, it is my belief after all and needs no justification to you or anybody else. That is what you would call, freedom of choice, yet you dont practice it, this is hypocritical

In what way do I not practice freedom of choice?
As I have repeatedly said, you are completely free to wear a helmet and I will never try and stop you. People disagreeing with you is hardly infringing your freedom of choice.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Including increased torsional and rotational injuries?

Ski Helmet

Nice and round so if it hits the ground it isn't going to force your head to rotate (also notice no snag points).

Motorcycling Helmet

Again nice and round and no snag points.

Cycling helmet

Err...

I do wear my snowboard helmet if it's very cold and i am riding in ropey conditions, if that helps?

So these helmets are so bad that they can actually cause "torsional and rotational injuries"? You would think there would be some sort of evidence of that. They have been about long enough. You don't see too many calls for them to be banned from pro cycling due to the potential danger to the riders.

 

[david k]

Rubbish! If helmets are effective we can test for that. We have, and the evidence is lacking. Just like with any other public health intervention, if you cannot show that they are effective then there can be no imperative to implement the intervention.

In what way do I not practice freedom of choice?
As I have repeatedly said, you are completely free to wear a helmet and I will never try and stop you. People disagreeing with you is hardly infringing your freedom of choice.

Im happy for us to disagree, thats fine. Its the persitent questions about my choice. Not sure I can add much more to the debate than Ive already tried.

On another note, im thinking of going for a quick spin before the frost sets in, see you all later

Got a busy weekend so this may be my only chance

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Im happy for us to disagree, thats fine. Its the persitent questions about my choice. Not sure I can add much more to the debate than Ive already tried.

On another note, im thinking of going for a quick spin before the frost sets in, see you all later

Got a busy weekend so this may be my only chance

Snow and -2 where i am just now. No riding this weekend by the looks of it. Turbo trainer fun. With my helmet. You know, in case i fall off. Enjoy.

 

[ufkacbln]

I do wear my snowboard helmet if it's very cold and i am riding in ropey conditions, if that helps?

So these helmets are so bad that they can actually cause "torsional and rotational injuries"? You would think there would be some sort of evidence of that. They have been about long enough. You don't see too many calls for them to be banned from pro cycling due to the potential danger to the riders.

I offered it earlier ... however you stated unequivocally you weren't interested in the evidence!

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

I offered it earlier ... however you stated unequivocally you weren't interested in the evidence!

Concrete evidence or research? I have offered up research. Doesn't seem to stand the "relevancy" test on here.

 

[ufkacbln]

not at all, as said previously many times i (we) dont feel the risk is significant enough to wear a cycling helmet when walking. The worse this can do is prove we are hypocritical, it does not prove helmets are useless or not. In fact if the best reason to suggest you shouldnt wear a helmet when cycling is that you are a hypocrite means you have very little substance in your argument

unkless you really believe wearing a helmet for pedastrians is worthy, then go ahead and wear one

You are still missing the point!

 

[ufkacbln]

Concrete evidence or research? I have offered up research. Doesn't seem to stand the "relevancy" test on here.

Either.....

I am not interested in doubts about these helmets. .

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

I am not interested in doubts about these helmets

Care to quote the rest of my post or are you once again trying to manipulate evidence?

 

[ufkacbln]

Not at all, the whole post is....

I have two for road purpose. Kask K10 Dieci & the Giro Monza helmet.

I am not interested in doubts about these helmets. I will be interested if you can provide concrete proof that they are of no use though. That is the kind of insight i would not only consider valuable but be thankful for. Good luck......

You clearly and unequivocally stated you were not interested in any evidence that pointed out the designs were flawed, and that there were helmets out there that offered increased protection.

 

[Alun]

Pedrosanchezo and David k are one and the same person AICMFP

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Not at all, the whole post is....



You clearly and unequivocally stated you were not interested in any evidence that pointed out the designs were flawed, and that there were helmets out there that offered increased protection.

Clearly not true. Let me try your approach so you grasp my meaning. I said:

"I will be interested if you can provide concrete proof that they are of no use though. That is the kind of insight i would not only consider valuable but be thankful for".

See how that might appear different? Not only that, please tell me which part states "unequivocally" that i am not interested in ANY evidence that pointed out designs that are flawed???? Bear in mind the above quote.

Doubts are hardly conclusive are they. I doubt you will ever change your mind RE helmets. Hardly a fact though is it?