Froome and Wiggins TUEs

[FishFright]

The Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee (DCMS) report said it received "confidential material from a well-placed and respected source" about Team Sky's medical policy between 2011 and 2013 that states Wiggins and a smaller group of riders trained separately from the rest of the team in preparation for the 2012 season.

So who was this small group of riders? was froome one of them? was cavendish one of them? bernie esisel? eddie boss? michael rogers? richie port?.........................?????? to many allegedlies and not enough fact based evidence

It was me !

 

[Milkfloat]

I think we just need to agree that the MPs have got it right, an ethical line was crossed; anything else in terms of jumping up and down to defend Wiggins/Brailsford/Sky is just the words of apologists, so no point discussing it.

I don't agree, in professional sport is there even an ethical line? There are either rules broken or not. They can lie (no injections) and use grey areas (TUEs) as much as they like (as in this case), but unless rules are broken then there is no clean definition of cheat or not. The rules seemed to have been tightened over the last few years so hopefully this will not happen again, but I am sure another loophole will be found that will need plugging.

My personal opinion (not that it matters) is that not only the mythical ethical line was crossed, but also real rules were broken. The point is without proof there is nothing that can be done apart from changing the rules to prevent things such as lost medical data, jiffy bags, corrupt doctors etc from interfering too much. Like others I think a lot needs to be taken away from the teams and pulled in centrally, although I don't trust the UCI to run it.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

so basically we have to agree with your opinion or get lost??

I am merely following your line throughout

 

[hopless500]

yet in the report now we hear you have acknowledged that you did indeed take it out of competition?

so the report was mentioned in your post

Ah, so it was. Would you like to explain just how much of a difference that makes to him first saying no he didn't and then yes he did?

 

[ColinJ]

My personal opinion (not that it matters) is that not only the mythical ethical line was crossed, but also real rules were broken. The point is without proof there is nothing that can be done apart from changing the rules to prevent things such as lost medical data, jiffy bags, corrupt doctors etc from interfering too much. Like others I think a lot needs to be taken away from the teams and pulled in centrally, although I don't trust the UCI to run it.

At the very least, complete, honest and accurate medical record keeping should be a condition for a team to be able to continue. A 3 month team ban for any failure in record keeping would focus minds - laptop stolen and no backup of its data - BAN; no paper records - BAN; jiffy bag with unknown contents - BAN!

 

[jowwy]

I am merely following your line throughout

nope - i am disagreeing with the MPs report and highlighting the fact that UKAD state that SKY have done nothing wrong, i don't really care what you think tbh as you just want to agree with the MPs cause you can't base your opinion on anything else and your adding nothing to the debate.

 

[jowwy]

Ah, so it was. Would you like to explain just how much of a difference that makes to him first saying no he didn't and then yes he did?

it makes a big difference as he was never interviewed by the MPs therefore he cant have said it in their report...........and its quite easy for papers to crop, paste and type things out of context to make it look more damning than it actually was/is

 

[jowwy]

Exactly. Even now Froomes not trained with the rest of the team for months. His goals are entirely different, as were Wiggos.

yes, froomes goal is to try and get out of the recent AAF scandal he is involved in.............

 

[smutchin]

It seems to be intent that is in question, how can we disprove their true intent?

It's worth reading David Millar's account of taking Kenacort (Triamcinolone) for a description of its effects - both positive and negative:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/opinion/sunday/how-to-get-away-with-doping.html

It's difficult to reconcile this account (and others) with the idea that a doctor would prescribe this medication (especially administered by intramuscular injection) to treat a bout of hayfever.

 

[smutchin]

At the very least, complete, honest and accurate medical record keeping should be a condition for a team to be able to continue. A 3 month team ban for any failure in record keeping would focus minds - laptop stolen and no backup of its data - BAN; no paper records - BAN; jiffy bag with unknown contents - BAN!

Agreed. Failure to keep adequate medical records should be regarded at least as seriously as a missed whereabouts test.

 

[roadrash]

@ColinJ send in your cv, no scrap that , you've got the job

 

[Milkfloat]

At the very least, complete, honest and accurate medical record keeping should be a condition for a team to be able to continue. A 3 month team ban for any failure in record keeping would focus minds - laptop stolen and no backup of its data - BAN; no paper records - BAN; jiffy bag with unknown contents - BAN!

I would argue that the teams should not be merely holding the medical data it should be held and perhaps administered by a central independent authority. I would even go to say that perhaps the teams should be banned from having medical staff and they should be provided centrally.

 

[roadrash]

what did you say mr pro cyclist you have hayfever and your gonna suffer cycling through france in july, well tough shyte looks like your gonna suffer then, or don't bother with this cycling lark.

get rid of TUE'S altogether, solves the problem of them being abused

 

[smutchin]

UKAD state that SKY have done nothing wrong

That's an interesting interpretation of what UKAD have actually said.

 

[jowwy]

That's an interesting interpretation of what UKAD have actually said.

am i miss interprating this tweet (s**t spelling i know)