Froome and Wiggins TUEs

[smutchin]

Go and read the UCI rules on TUE applications. Then review the widely available evidence, and you'll find it clearly shows that Wiggins, Brailsford and Sky's medical personnel must have conspired to submit fraudulent applications, and that the approving UCI doctor Zorzoli was either complicit with or duped by the Sky conspiracy.

I think you've hit on the key problem with the TUE system - the doctor is appointed by the sport's governing body, not independently (eg by WADA). It's normal that the sport's governing body and the teams both want their top stars to be present at all the big races - they have immense commercial value - so it's hardly surprising that the doctors will be pressured into signing sicknotes for big name riders, even if they might not always be wholly justifiable on medical grounds.

It's a grey area but it's clear that in the past that the system has been abused and exploited by both the UCI and the teams. Whether that will really change on Lappartient's watch remains to be seen.

 

[Crackle]

The full transcript of the Wiggins interview is now online

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/43294639

I'm sorry to say, I'm left with the impression he knew exactly what he was doing and is now dissembling

 

[hopless500]

The full transcript of the Wiggins interview is now online

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/43294639

I'm sorry to say, I'm left with the impression he knew exactly what he was doing and is now dissembling

Yep.

 

[Bollo]

Is there any stomach among BC clubs to stamp this out? It's one of a handful of topics (equal opps, pavement cycling and h&h being some others) which from what I've seen will at best be ignored or deleted if you ask about it on a club's forum and at worst get you asked to leave or booted. Others have suggested in the past that the clubs I've interacted with have been unusual - if that's so, please show us clubs talking openly about what they do to combat this shoot...

I think you're projecting your expectations and interests on to the clubs, which might explain the short shrift. Your standard local road club isn't a campaigning organisation and, barring considerations about equal opps and safeguarding (lots of safeguarding) most will be struggling to get volunteers out to marshall the club 10, lead a ride or collect subs. I doubt there's a BC Club in the land that has the financial or human resources by itself to 'stamp this out' or even begin to monitor member behaviour outside the (very slight) chances of being tested.

It's true that a local road club could develop a doping culture (I'm personally not aware of any) but in the end it only matters if this percolates down to younger riders with prospects beyond the club. In this case you'd have to look at the coaches and make any concerns known to British Cycling as a safeguarding issue. It certainly shouldn't (and wouldn't) be dealt with internally by the club.

If a rider is sufficiently talented then they'll soon move away from the club to an amateur/development team, which should then fall under the remit of the BC Kremlin, UKAD and the rest.

 

[Slick]

The full transcript of the Wiggins interview is now online

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/43294639

I'm sorry to say, I'm left with the impression he knew exactly what he was doing and is now dissembling

I know that's the popular belief, but it's also why the term "throw enough muck, and some of it is bound to stick" was coined.

I thought he spoke well enough, but it appears there may be an attempt by some to distance themselves now.

It could well be the alternative is just to unthinkable, who knows.

 

[roadrash]

I remain unconvinced either way, I am resigned to the fact that until there is actual proof then or he comes right out and admits it (which aint gonna happen) then we will never know for sure , I would like to think he didn't cheat but I am not naïve (spelling) enough to believe it, the past has taught us this much,

 

[Adam4868]

Im sticking with "is that the best youve got ?" Lots of hearsay and accusations but not too much evidence.Did they push the boundaries/ethics ? Id probally say so,did they cheat ? Still not convinced.

 

[jowwy]

i must have read a different report to others and saw a different BBC interview..............

 

[jowwy]

The full transcript of the Wiggins interview is now online

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/43294639

I'm sorry to say, I'm left with the impression he knew exactly what he was doing and is now dissembling

i find it hard to understand how you came to the conclusion.........unless we seen different reports or news interviews

 

[Blue Hills]

Saw an oldish interview with Brailsford where he was asked several times about making the paperwork available for independent external inspection. He dodged and weaved like no-ones business, essentially just said that all internal procedures had been complied with and that those internal bodies were in possession of all they required.

Since the charge is that British cycling was/is corrupt and self serving that is hardly an answer.

I am afraid it reminded me of the Catholic Church heirarchy/Vatican when asked about child abuse.

Wouldn't trust him an inch, centimetre, mm, marginal measurement.

 

[jowwy]

anyway how is froome getting in with proving his innocence? anybody?

 

[Slick]

Saw an oldish interview with Brailsford where he was asked several times about making the paperwork available for independent external inspection. He dodged and weaved like no-ones business, essentially just said that all internal procedures had been complied with and that those internal bodies were in possession of all they required.

Since the charge is that British cycling was/is corrupt and self serving that is hardly an answer.

I am afraid it reminded me of the Catholic Church heirarchy/Vatican when asked about child abuse.

Wouldn't trust him an inch, centimetre, mm, marginal measurement.

Maybe a bit strong.

 

[Crackle]

I know that's the popular belief, but it's also why the term "throw enough muck, and some of it is bound to stick" was coined.

I thought he spoke well enough, but it appears there may be an attempt by some to distance themselves now.

It could well be the alternative is just to unthinkable, who knows.

He did speak well but my overall impression from the transcript and the interview is that he's chosen to spin this a particular way now and that perhaps he was a bit more blasé about these treatments when he didn't think any of this would come out. I also find it difficult to believe that someone with such a knowledge of the history of the sport, good and bad, would just shrug their shoulders and say he trusts the medics to make the right decision, I wouldn't. I think there's a lot more he's not saying. I think he's trod on the wrong side of the ethical divide and knew he was when he did so.

i find it hard to understand how you came to the conclusion.........unless we seen different reports or news interviews

Fair enough Jowwy, I didn't think you'd agree, I've set my reasons out above, for what it's worth I'm not sure my thinking about his career has changed that much other than being disappointed somewhat but not entirely surprised.

 

[smutchin]

The always excellent Lionel Birnie:
https://www.lionelbirnie.com/blog/2018/3/5/1dm1u9ioiiygi09k0hsnj8z6c1z7kl

 

[jowwy]

Im just going to leave this here