Froome and Wiggins TUEs

[Adam4868]

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...ow-about-chris-froomes-salbutamol-case-362848

 

[NickNick]

they may well do, but this is no longer about wiggins as people have already stated in a few posts above..................its about froome and his failed dope test.

it would seem that the usual people i see on this thread slating wiggins for the so called jiffy bag saga, have decided not to get involved with this thread now that its focusing on their hero Froomey......but then i'm not really that surprised to be honest.

They're both as bad as each other and there's the same rotten root cause, Sky.

 

[Siclo]

If I'm reading it right Froome has to prove his body metabolises Salbutamol in a way which could have led to the positive. If he can, he's clear, if he can't all bets are off for next year as he'll serve a ban, there's precedent.

My understanding is that Froome needs to prove by an independent pharmokinetic study that the his body metabolises the therapeutic dose in such a way that it leads to the reported value in the AAF. It took pretty much 8 months for Uliss tpi to be studied at Luasanne and the case to result in a back dated ban.

Since there's no mandatory suspension for an AAF of a specified substance, if the lawyers can drag this out long enough he could be the first person to be stripped of all three grand tours.

I reckon RCS and ASO will want this sorted pretty quickly.

 

[Crackle]

My understanding is that Froome needs to prove by an independent pharmokinetic study that the his body metabolises the therapeutic dose in such a way that it leads to the reported value in the AAF. It took pretty much 8 months for Uliss tpi to be studied at Luasanne and the case to result in a back dated ban.

Since there's no mandatory suspension for an AAF of a specified substance, if the lawyers can drag this out long enough he could be the first person to be stripped of all three grand tours.

I reckon RCS and ASO will want this sorted pretty quickly.

I reckon you're right. Even if the ban doesn't kick in next year it will alter his thinking on what he targets unless he's sure he won't be found responsible but that element of doubt may just affect his racing and is definitely going to affect his press conferences and the pressure he feels. So even if he's cleared, this is going to affect next years racing for him.

 

[mjr]

I think half a day is a bit early to say anyone has decided not to get involved in this thread.

 

[Strathlubnaig]

good summary here http://inrng.com/2017/12/chris-froomes-salbutamol-case/

 

[Adam4868]

Sky will want it cleared up sooner rather than later.How much negative publicity can they take ?
My own take on Froome is why would you risk taking so much so late in the race ? I don't think there's that much of a advantage is there ? It'll all end ok,better had I'm going to watch him win the Giro !

 

[User169]

good summary here http://inrng.com/2017/12/chris-froomes-salbutamol-case/

Interesting. So they have to show excellent record keeping in order to show what Froome was dosed with having spent the last year arguing their medical records were a total shambles!

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

Sky will want it cleared up sooner rather than later.How much negative publicity can they take ?
My own take on Froome is why would you risk taking so much so late in the race ? I don't think there's that much of a advantage is there ? It'll all end ok,better had I'm going to watch him win the Giro !

Everyone's tired? A wee puff of an inhaler could mean seconds on the road, even if just a placebo

 

[jowwy]

Everyone's tired? A wee puff of an inhaler could mean seconds on the road, even if just a placebo

in this case its not just 1 wee puff though.........

 

[derrick]

Everyone's tired? A wee puff of an inhaler could mean seconds on the road, even if just a placebo

It makes a big difference when my wife uses it, it's not seconds it's minutes.

 

[nickyboy]

If one approaches this issue from the standpoint of British athletes are just as likely (and unlikely) to cheat as other nations, the facts start to speak for themselves. There is a temptation to think British athletes are inherently clean, it's just Russians, Kenyans, Jamaicans etc etc that are dirty. I don't think that's the case at all

Money's still on stripping him of the Vuelta and probably a ban to run past the Giro but he'll be back (with exactly the same cloud hanging over him as Contador et al) for the Tour

 

[400bhp]

There's some talk of the test itself being too simplistic due to the drug po

If one approaches this issue from the standpoint of British athletes are just as likely (and unlikely) to cheat as other nations, the facts start to speak for themselves. There is a temptation to think British athletes are inherently clean, it's just Russians, Kenyans, Jamaicans etc etc that are dirty. I don't think that's the case at all

Money's still on stripping him of the Vuelta and probably a ban to run past the Giro but he'll be back (with exactly the same cloud hanging over him as Contador et al) for the Tour

That's a wholly separate psychological and cultural argument. We (the British) may just be as likely as other nations, then again, because of our culture we may not.

Interesting you use Kenyans in your example.

I really cannot believe that he has done this knowingly or on purpose.

 

[nickyboy]

I really cannot believe that he has done this knowingly or on purpose.

I guess that's where our reasoning diverges. I don't know him personally, just as I don't know any cyclist who has failed a drug test personally. So I can only regard him in exactly the same way as I do all the others that have failed a drug test unless and until some facts are available that make me regard him differently

 

[nickyboy]

Nothing like. Clenbuterol is a banned substance, Salbutamol is a permissive, not even a TUE.

I doubt the public will take quite such a nuanced view in the event that he does receive a ban