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Jameshow

Veteran
 
Good morning,

Isn't it time for one of the Mike Ashley haters to tell us that they would never buy anthing from one of his shops?:laugh:

The Alu 105 was (only XL left now) such a bargain at £600 but the 105 Di2 is so tempting that I decided to prevaricate in the hope that by the time I have had a "couple" of beers they will be out of stock.:smile:

The main off putter is that it is so "aero" that damaged parts could be an issue, especially for a mail order prchase on an end of stock item and possibly an end of retailer/supplier partnership, although this is pure speculation.

I see that Evans also has a Specialized Tarmac SL7 with 105Di2, but that one is not that much cheaper than others have it for.
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Even the Specialized web site has it for £2599, in other words there may be a glut of bikes to be cleared over the next few months.

Bye

Ian
 

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Jameshow

Veteran
Good morning,

Isn't it time for one of the Mike Ashley haters to tell us that they would never buy anthing from one of his shops?:laugh:

The Alu 105 was (only XL left now) such a bargain at £600 but the 105 Di2 is so tempting that I decided to prevaricate in the hope that by the time I have had a "couple" of beers they will be out of stock.:smile:

I see that Evans also has a Specialized Tarmac SL7 with 105Di2, but that one is not that much cheaper than others have it for.
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Even the Specialized web site has it for £2599, in other words there may be a glut of bikes to be cleared over the next few months.

Bye

Ian

105 di2 on a alu frames a bit like lipstick on a pig?

The groupset would be better hung on a tarmac or noah etc....
 

BrumJim

Forum Stalwart (won't take the hint and leave...)
hi Folks
has anyone used Frasers Plus to pay at Evans Cycles?
i see it as an option to pay over 3 months interest free with a decent saving. Is there a catch?
example here for a Tyre

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Good evening,

You are asking a quite tricky question and it is worth doing an internet search on regulated and unregulated consumer credit.

As a one line summary, offering interest free credit for 12 months or less is usually unregulated and an unregulated credit product imposes pretty much no obligations on the lender to ensure that the customer can afford what he bought.

Obviously with a tyre this doesn't matter, but £600 on a sale bike at Evans, £3k on a watch, £400 on a pair of shoes etc can pretty quickly add up to too much credit being offered.

It may be this lack of obligation along with the customer getting the goods for a lower upfront cost that is the reason for the growth of such 3/6 month deals.

Why this obligation is important is that some retailers are getting nervous about offering finance as courts are sometimes making surprising decisions.

A recent one is : Johnson v FirstRand Bank Limited (London Branch) T/A Motonovo Finance and a few other car finance providers. The issue isn’t what the customer paid, they were told what the cost would be and this is what they paid, the argument is that the commission paid to the car dealer wasn’t specified and the dealer could set it at whatever rate they wanted.

Although you may think that they deserved it, it might also be informative to lookup James Banamor and Amigo loans. Financial obligations freely entered into by Amigo’s customers were overturned by the courts.

Saying much more that this would move us into NACA territory as Amigo were making loans of 10s of thousands of pounds at 49% and when repayments were missed Amigo went after the people who acted as guarantor for the loans, may of whom said we don’t want to pay, it’s unfair, we didn't expect to have to actually do what we said we would.

Depending upon where the funding comes from, inside or outside of the retail group, it may also remove credit card commissions and charge backs.

It may also be worth noting that the details of these credit deals may not be passed onto the credit reference agencies, unless you default. You may not care, but if you buy a £2k bike on credit, how you repay could very well make a difference to your credit score. On a credit card the credit reference agencies will see a larger purchase and associated repayments, if this £2k is a big purchase it could replace 3-6months of smaller recorded purchases, appearing as if you bought nothing on credit during this time.

To my mind it is not a con but a fightback by retailers against credit regulators and the power of credit card companies and the unreasonable customer.

Bye

Ian
 
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Good evening,

You are asking a quite tricky question and it is worth doing an internet search on regulated and unregulated consumer credit.

As a one line summary, offering interest free credit for 12 months or less is usually unregulated and an unregulated credit product imposes pretty much no obligations on the lender to ensure that the customer can afford what he bought.

Obviously with a tyre this doesn't matter, but £600 on a sale bike at Evans, £3k on a watch, £400 on a pair of shoes etc can pretty quickly add up to too much credit being offered.

It may be this lack of obligation along with the customer getting the goods for a lower upfront cost that is the reason for the growth of such 3/6 month deals.

Why this obligation is important is that some retailers are getting nervous about offering finance as courts are sometimes making surprising decisions.

A recent one is : Johnson v FirstRand Bank Limited (London Branch) T/A Motonovo Finance and a few other car finance providers. The issue isn’t what the customer paid, they were told what the cost would be and this is what they paid, the argument is that the commission paid to the car dealer wasn’t specified and the dealer could set it at whatever rate they wanted.

Although you may think that they deserved it, it might also be informative to lookup James Banamor and Amigo loans. Financial obligations freely entered into by Amigo’s customers were overturned by the courts.

Saying much more that this would move us into NACA territory as Amigo were making loans of 10s of thousands of pounds at 49% and when repayments were missed Amigo went after the people who acted as guarantor for the loans, may of whom said we don’t want to pay, it’s unfair, we didn't expect to have to actually do what we said we would.

Depending upon where the funding comes from, inside or outside of the retail group, it may also remove credit card commissions and charge backs.

It may also be worth noting that the details of these credit deals may not be passed onto the credit reference agencies, unless you default. You may not care, but if you buy a £2k bike on credit, how you repay could very well make a difference to your credit score. On a credit card the credit reference agencies will see a larger purchase and associated repayments, if this £2k is a big purchase it could replace 3-6months of smaller recorded purchases, appearing as if you bought nothing on credit during this time.

To my mind it is not a con but a fightback by retailers against credit regulators and the power of credit card companies and the unreasonable customer.

Bye

Ian

thanks, i don't normally do debt but i would plan to pay this off within the 3 months so i don't incur interest. it seems there might be another option to pay off balance in full with no interest. will look at into a little more. i wouldn't normally bother but the saving is quite big, and the price of tyres these days 😲 :tongue:
 

Jenkins

Legendary Member
Location
Felixstowe
thanks, i don't normally do debt but i would plan to pay this off within the 3 months so i don't incur interest. it seems there might be another option to pay off balance in full with no interest. will look at into a little more. i wouldn't normally bother but the saving is quite big, and the price of tyres these days 😲 :tongue:

Details of the scheme are on this page on Evans' web site. They're registered with the FCA, as are the parent company House of Fraser (I've checked) so your money should be safe. I've used a similar system (PayPal pay in 3) in the past even when I could afford to pay in full upfront and, as long as you remember to pay the installments before the due date, why not take advantage of holding on to your money for an extra month or two.
 

Bristolian

Über Member
Location
Bristol, UK
hi Folks
has anyone used Frasers Plus to pay at Evans Cycles?
i see it as an option to pay over 3 months interest free with a decent saving. Is there a catch?
example here for a Tyre
Yes, I've used them but only on relatively small value items. It is a credit agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 so relatively safe. I'm not sure I'd use them for higher value purchases. I've not had any problems either setting up the account of using it.
 
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