I encountered a few on the way back - because I hadn't planned. The journey to Wales which I had planned was perfect. Freestyling is more problematic and on the way back we also had competing demands. The car needed charging but so did my wife and children so we needed somewhere with food available and the car wanted to use Porsche dealerships all the time.
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I don't have a Porsche!
Also - Mac's journey was planned, as mine was to North Wales. I had no issue on the planned part.
All together now "oh yes there is!"
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/24/catl_battery_claim_questioned/
https://www.catl.com/en/news/6015.html
https://www.positive.news/environment/battery-breakthrough-long-range-electric-cars-and-planes/
Batteries are developing super-fast...
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
First link, headline "top boffin isn't convinced"
Second headline four years old, claims this battery was already launched and would enable passenger aircraft. Weird that it isn't actually even in cars 4 years later.
Third headline, same company, same headline, four years later.
Colour me sceptical.
Not only are the actual battery performance not developing super fast, even the hype is being cut and paste.
FishFright
More wheels than sense
There's already been a huge increase in battery capacity and performance. Compare the performance of modern EV's to those of decade or so back.
Also there is a huge push on battery research and several new technologies being evaluated.
Which is what I should have written.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Increase in the last decade has not been "huge". It's incremental.
See for instance.
https://physicsworld.com/a/lithium-ion-batteries-break-energy-density-record/
Technologies are being evaluated, sure, but the same is true of nuclear fusion.
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Weren't Toyota working on something? I was reading somewhere that it worked but they were struggling to mass produce it, article may have got it wrong but I can't find it to have a second look.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Everybody and their dog is "working on something".
Yet nothing has reached market, and headlines from years ago are repeated.
We will see; I've seen nothing to suggest with any certainty that a step change is coming. It's perfectly legitimate to believe otherwise, of course.
Yep. It takes time to bring things from prototype to production. Both CATL and a rival company are promising super long range batteries will be in production next year.
Not really. It's the development lead time from a discovery to something robust enough for production. It took from 1903 to get from first powered flight to using aeroplanes regularly in battle and then 20 years to get to the military jet aeroplane. Modern EVs have only been on the road since 2010. Range increases year on year - some years more than others.
https://www.iea.org/data-and-statis...-of-electric-vehicles-by-powertrain-2010-2021
This chart finishes at 207 miles in 2021. I think we are now close to 219 miles on average for all cars, and 300 miles for new production cars.
Pale Rider
Legendary Member
The bloke who took his Porsche from end to end is not as stupid as some on here suggest.
The 'mistake' he made was not starting with a full charge - partly because he'd driven to the hotel in Scotland for the start.
He did use a Porsche charger for one stop which appeared just as expensive as all the others.
We can only take the aggro he reported with broken and busy chargers at face value.
Neither was the journey as dumb as some on here suggest, they did it over two days with a hotel stop in Lancashire.
Top and bottom of it is the other bloke in the Beemer spent about 15 minutes refuelling and arrived eight hours before the EV.
Slight difference in fuel cost, too.
The BMW used about £120 in diesel, the EV about £260 in electricity.
The 'mistake' he made was not starting with a full charge - partly because he'd driven to the hotel in Scotland for the start.
He did use a Porsche charger for one stop which appeared just as expensive as all the others.
We can only take the aggro he reported with broken and busy chargers at face value.
Neither was the journey as dumb as some on here suggest, they did it over two days with a hotel stop in Lancashire.
Top and bottom of it is the other bloke in the Beemer spent about 15 minutes refuelling and arrived eight hours before the EV.
Slight difference in fuel cost, too.
The BMW used about £120 in diesel, the EV about £260 in electricity.
For Porsche owners it's 30p per kwh. Everyone else it's 80p.
That bit is genuine unfortunately. Some motorway services are utterly crap. Things have improved now that you can use a Tesla charger.
But they didn't need to drive the length of the country to prove that it's quicker to refuel a petrol BMW than it is an EV. EVeryone knows that.
Which tells you that something is off. Assuming 3.5 miles per KWH that means he was paying £1.08 per KHW based on an 839 mile journey.
FishFright
More wheels than sense
Just another 20 years lol
The rate of increase is rising though and as we have seen on this thread just a little thought and long journeys can be done quite easily.
The next thing needed is a sensible infrastructure plan.
One thing that is a known known is the oil has a limited lifespan left, the oil companies are pilling in huge amounts of research for alternatives including batteries and the oil states are diversifying as rapidly as they can.
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roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
The chart shows exactly what I suggested; improvements are now incremental.
And as you helpfully pointed out, CATL promised exactly the same four years ago. We'll see.
cougie uk
Guru
It's a dumb journey. To drive to one end of the country to drive to the other end and then back to where you began to prove what ?
It's all about clicks or views or whatever.
A Tesla made the journey in something ridiculous like 16 hours. with just an hour and a half charging so it clearly pays to prepare if you're trying to do it properly.
https://esgglobal.com/ev-record-for-john-ogroats-to-lands-end-drive/
