EV Owners Thread

[lazybloke]

Absolutely. if you look to Brighton, Westminster, Portsmouth, EV chargers are being installed in their droves.

1. Westminster, London: 2,158
2. Southwark, London: 1,726
3. Coventry, West Midlands: 1,223
4. Brent, Outer London: 814
5. Wandsworth, London: 725
6. Kensington and Chelsea: 696
7. Merton, Outer London: 676
8. Hammersmith and Fulham: 599
9. Leeds, West Yorkshire: 514
10. Milton Keynes, South East: 504
11. Birmingham, West Midlands: 472
12. Brighton and Hove, South East: 424
13. Liverpool, Merseyside: 411
14. Cornwall, South West: 408
15. Glasgow City, Scotland: 342

As of July 2023 there were 44020 public chargers in the UK of which 57% are fast. 19% of those are rapid.

The numbers you quote are a drop in the ocean.

Without other fuel sources becoming available, BEVs will replace all ICE cars. That's a 36-fold increase in BEVs.
But how much do you use public chargers at the moment? Not much, I'll wager, because home charging is far more convenient and can be significantly cheaper.

So I estimate that only 5% of BEV charging is done on public chargers.
But that 5% will increase, potentially at least 6-fold, because roughly a third of homes have no offstreet parking so will be entirely dependent on the public charging infrastructure.

Combining the numbers suggests we need at least a 200-fold increase in public charger capacity.

That's not a prediction as I don't know what technology changes will occur, but equally it's not a wild guess, it's an extrapolation based mainly on published data.

It illustrates the scale of the EV charging problem, why your numbers are insufficient, and why it's a good idea to have the option of home charging.

 

[icowden]

So I estimate that only 5% of BEV charging is done on public chargers.
But that 5% will increase, potentially at least 6-fold, because roughly a third of homes have no offstreet parking so will be entirely dependent on the public charging infrastructure.
Combining the numbers suggests we need at least a 200-fold increase in public charger capacity.

Have you taken into account that most BEVs only need charging once or twice per week?

 

[lazybloke]

Have you taken into account that most BEVs only need charging once or twice per week?

No, not relevant.
I was showing that future BEVs will (on average) rely more on public charging infrastructure than present BEVs.
So a 36-fold increase in BEVs will create an even larger (much larger) demand for charging.

I've made estimates, assumptions and possibly some mistakes, which is why I said it was only an illustrative extrapolation.
By all means make your own mathematical model and see numbers you arrive at.

 

[Pale Rider]

Remind me, what is the benefit of removing the entire binnacle and relocating everything elsewhere? I don't get it.

The central speedo/main instruments make it cheaper to produce left and right hand drive versions.

Makers have been doing it for years, Citroen is one example.

No advantage to the purchaser, although people are very adaptable so I suspect most get used to it.

 

[the snail]

No, not relevant.
I was showing that future BEVs will (on average) rely more on public charging infrastructure than present BEVs.
So a 36-fold increase in BEVs will create an even larger (much larger) demand for charging.

I've made estimates, assumptions and possibly some mistakes, which is why I said it was only an illustrative extrapolation.
By all means make your own mathematical model and see numbers you arrive at.

I live in a terrace with no off-street parking, there are several EVs, sometimes with a cable running across the pavement for charging, so you don't necessarily have to rely on public chargers - which would presumably be expensive ?

 

[mikeIow]

Cables across pavements sound faintly dangerous…..& probably mildly illegal: a rapid google suggests “it is illegal to cause an obstruction on roads, pavements and footpaths and you may be liable for any resulting damage or injury.”

 

[Pale Rider]

Several insurance companies are getting the hump with expensive EV repairs.

Premiums up, which is to be expected, but there are also companies who are refusing to quote on EVs.

No worries for those with loads of money, buyer beware for the rest of us.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2...ial Services told,force, or hybrid vehicles.”

 

[Kajjal]

Worth noting many are holding off on EV’s due to range and charging issues. If they moved to EV’s it would have a significant impact, requiring greater and more frequent charging due to driving consistent longer ranges.

 

[mikeIow]

Worth noting many are holding off on EV’s due to range and charging issues. If they moved to EV’s it would have a significant impact, requiring greater and more frequent charging due to driving consistent longer ranges.

Where do you get the “due to driving consistent longer ranges” from?
Average UK commute is perhaps 10-20miles, according to several quick google sources…..
Not sure many people regularly drive over 200-250 miles…..& many EVs hit that range now 💪
Sure, there will be road warrior outliers to that bold statement, but they will be a minority.
The ‘charging issues’ will exist for those without driveways today….but there are more and more chargepoints appearing to help meet the increasing demand.

I suspect more are holding off EVs due to their high prices….plus the pandemic has perhaps made people less wedded to the idea of changing their cars so frequently. Zoom/Skype/Teams et al are all making people less fixated on the need to drive hours for a short meeting 👍
The world is changing 🤷‍♂️

 

[CXRAndy]

Worth noting many are holding off on EV’s due to range and charging issues. If they moved to EV’s it would have a significant impact, requiring greater and more frequent charging due to driving consistent longer ranges.

You do know the average distance driven per day by 95% of the UK and the western world is 35 miles. Yes that's right 35 miles.

50% of all car journeys are less than 2 miles per day.

 

[dicko]

With all these EV cars catching fire the insurance premiums are going to rise steeply.

 

[Buck]

Like the diesel car at Luton Airport !

 

[CXRAndy]

With all these EV cars catching fire the insurance premiums are going to rise steeply.

I had this conversation with a mate of mine yesterday. The statistics are 100,000 ICE set on 🔥 in the UK every year-300 a day.

EVs are statistically less likely to catch fire. The haters like to publicise the odd EV that does go up in flames

Electric car fires often make the headlines, but they are not a common occurrence. According to Honeywell Safety and Productivity Solutions, 239 fires recorded in the UK from July 2022 to June 2023 were linked to EVs

 

[icowden]

Just a note folks - the purpose of this thread was not to replace the "Are we being forced to buy EVs" thread. It's supposed to be for EV owners to discuss and share info about EVs same as the other threads about specific types of vehicle.

It just feels like it's getting a bit NACA again and I'd hate to see the thread closed - feel free to join us over there for a free and frank debate about the pros and cons of EVs vs ICE.

 

[Pale Rider]

Just a note folks - the purpose of this thread was not to replace the "Are we being forced to buy EVs" thread. It's supposed to be for EV owners to discuss and share info about EVs same as the other threads about specific types of vehicle.

It just feels like it's getting a bit NACA again and I'd hate to see the thread closed - feel free to join us over there for a free and frank debate about the pros and cons of EVs vs ICE.

Of far more importance, the plural of EV is EVs, and the plural of Tesla is Teslas.

No apostrophes needed.

Thank you.